Bobcat 435 excavator advice needed!

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by Marshbrook, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. Marshbrook

    Marshbrook LawnSite Member
    Messages: 13

    Looking at possibly purchasing a new 2008 Bobcat 435 excavator with a long stick, has anyone here had any experience with this machine, good or bad? Any thoughts would be appreciated!
  2. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,131

    Oh you can do better.
  3. YellowDogSVC

    YellowDogSVC LawnSite Gold Member
    from TX
    Messages: 3,782

    I've used the 337 and really liked it. Never tried the 400 series. bobcat is a solid machine despite what Ron may whisper to you.
  4. Junior M

    Junior M LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,572

    I have ran the 337, its a great machine, the 335, 331, and 329 are all great machines. the 430 absolutely sucks!! I have never ran the 435 but if it is anything like the 430 you should run as fast as possible away from it. If your set on buying a zts machine I would go check out some other brands because bobcat isnt the one to buy one from.. For a zts I would recommend a Deere or maybe a CAT
  5. finegrade

    finegrade LawnSite Member
    Messages: 24

    I have run quite a few different brands, I would say that the Bobcat 435 is USA built and worked great for our work. It has a high bucket breakout force and very powerful. There are some more smooth models out there but I see no problems with it once you have good dealer support. There are some guys on this forum who support Cat alot so don't believe everything you read because not everyone is as objective as you may think or as they may say.

    Good Luck
  6. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 563

    Some of what Ron whispers in your ear is right on Bobcat. I think Bobcat's hydraulic flow in this machine is good compared to the market and the bucket/stick forces are right there along with dig depth. The machine is right at the top with other machines but here's the big problem....

    The Bobcat 435 requires more HP to accomplish what the other machines in its class do. That just means you will consume more fuel each and every operating hour to get the same performance as the other competitor's in the category. You better get a really good deal discount on the Bobcat to overcome this for the life of the machine if you run it at a high production rate. It also depreciates faster than other excavators. These all factor into your hourly operating cost.

    Ohh, it also lifts less even though it weighs more than others.

    The more HP issue makes me think inefficiency in the design.
  7. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,148

    The 435 specs poorly compared to most everyone elses machine in this class. Bucket breakout being worst. My figures show 7800 pounds, compared to a TK 145 at 10K and a CASE 50B at 11000K. The arm crowd force is better than the TK by a couple hundred pounds but weaker than the 50D by about 500. There is more to an excavator than a spec sheet though and a demo will tell you what you need to know. I would at least demo a couple other makes before giving you money to BC without making the machine earn it. I have always liked the BC excavator cabs. I find them comfortable. They are not as smooth though as most of the Japanese machines. I run a TK TB153FR not much to complain about. It runs like a much larger excavator.
  8. jefftb

    jefftb LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 563

    I went back and looked at the specs and KSSS is right on the CASE, TAK and CAT but the Bobcat is right there with the Hitachi/Deere in its class and nearly everything else. TAK and CAT generally have the highest bucket forces (and are generally great bucket diggers) but have less stick force.

    I can't get behind Bobcat machines in terms of feedback/touch in their controls-they just do not work for me. I think overall their machines lack in the total package compared to Komatsu, CASE, TAK, and heaven forbid CAT.

    Some guys like them. We did not but that does not mean they do not work for you or your situation. Finally, a few last words...demo, demo, demo.

    As an aside to KSSS...

    where are you pulling your data from?
  9. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,148

    It is true that some machines are better arm diggers and some bucket diggers. The TK is certainly a bucket digger. I do a lot of concrete removal and demo, not to mention digging in frost and I find that high bucket breakout forces serve me best. Although I have no issue with my machines crowd force. So for me I always look at bucket breakout forces, granted I think some of these numbers achieved with very short tip radius buckets and probably not the same bucket I am using, but never the less the higher the break out the more interested I am.

    I got those numbers from the CASE website which has comparative specs for a lot their product line.
  10. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,067

    I had the opportunity to run a 337 and I didn't like the machine in regards to a couple things. First of all, the pilot valves. Holy crap, no feeling, lots of effort needed to move the sticks around around, felt like I was running a wobble stick backhoe with half as much leverage, Bobcat's pilot controls are terrible! The machine seemed awful sluggish as well, I could've taken a nap waiting for the bucket to curl. Crowd seemed quick, boom up was okay, but bucket curl was terrible and swing was slow. After only 3 minutes on the machine, I was waiting for the machine to catch up with me on every move. Now, the rest of the machine I could get along with. 337 had a lot of tractive power, fairly quick 2 speed (with button on blade lever, kudos there), high backed seat was okay, machine seemed fairly stable as well. I don't like how you have to push a button to engage auxiliary hydraulics, that is pointless IMO. I haven't run a 435 and I didn't spend a serious amount of time on this late model 337 with only a couple hundred hours, but if the 435 is anything like the 337 I ran, I'd say there are much better candidates. Hell, as bad as everyone bashes the previous series Cat 305CR's, they have the 337 beat by a long shot and are zero tail to boot.

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