Boss or Western

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  1. T-MAN

    T-MAN LawnSite Member
    Messages: 13

    Is it true the newer Boss v-blades dont trip unless you hit a curb? I now alot of you guys bash the boss v but do you own them or just are in love with your fishers? The mvp is a trip edge so if you hit a curb boom right to your frame right? The boss seems to be a bit more heavy duty as well.Pump, moldboard,cylinders. And ive also heard the boss is alot quicker then the western/fisher. We have 2 local dealers who sell both and they claim they havnt had any major problems. I know the western comes with all the bells and whistles. Any way is the boss worth the extra bucks? Or is it the old you get what you pay for.Oh ya I know the boss is not that great at back dragging. Well lets hear it!
    Thanks T
  2. Kent Lawns

    Kent Lawns LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 870

    No dealers have any problems with the plows they sell.

    ~And all the plows backed up in their service department are either abused or "too old" (too old is over 2 years from purchase date.)

    ~Sorry for the cynacism, I'm get irratated by 80% of equipment reps who either don't KNOW or just blantantly scew the facts.

    OK, If you plow older lots, many driveway approaches and other areas with un-even pavement surfaces, you're probably better with the Western/Fisher.
    If you plow newer developments, I'm convinced the Boss will last longer.

    (I have them both and have used V-Plows since the '80's)

    BTW: Boss has made 3 different moldboard designs, each succesive one trips better than the previous. The newest one (circa 1998-2001) trips the best of the Boss.

    [Edited by Kent Lawns on 01-18-2001 at 09:47 AM]
  3. capital

    capital LawnSite Member
    Messages: 118

    We only use boss blades, both straight and V-blades. The westerns have a problem with the pins on the hook ups going out. No matter what blade you buy, they all have problems at one time or another. So alot depends on the dealer, IE how fast will he fix you back up to get on the street and will he nickle and dime you to death. Only problem we have been running into on the boss blades is in the electrical connections on the lights. They don't want to seem to keep the moisture out even with silicon gell applied often.
  4. slplow

    slplow LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 354

    I think you can not go wrong with boss, western or fisher thay are all great plows.
  5. Mike Nelson

    Mike Nelson LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 416

    Just my 2 cents.

    We run mostly Boss V's and yes there may be problems(cutting edges breaking,piston bolts shearing,and yes even on our 10'V broke the centerpin holding the plows together).But all in all I agree with which dealer will service you best.Service in this business is the most important thing.You can't wait till tomorrow!
    More importantly is not what make,but straight or V and if you are not using a V you could be losing time and time is Money!
  6. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,290

    We have used Boss V's for 11 years now. The first one with the chain hookup was the best one. I think it was because of the amount of play in the hookup, it left more room for moving around when you hit something with it.

    They aren't a bad plow, you just have to understand that you will spend more money on one initially and an maintenance/repairs. There will be cracks by the hinge. You will lose some of your angle because the wings twist when you catch something and it doesn't trip. And the center pin will wear out.

    At this point I'm pretty sure we will be trying a Fisher next time, probably with one of Dino's edges to see what happens then.

    Has anyone tried a new Boss with U edge on it? Has this prevented any of the problems that I talked about?
  7. Kent Lawns

    Kent Lawns LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 870

    We have urethane edges on our plows. It certainly helps with the uneven pavement. We don't think it cleans (scrapes)sufficiently for many sites, so we use steel as well.

    You almost have to use steel on accounts without salt.
  8. plowking35

    plowking35 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from S.E. CT
    Messages: 1,687

    We have 2 MVP westerns, and we love them. I have looked at the Boss, and the hydros are much faster. The fisher is very similar to the western, but a few differences are there, and IMO make the western a better buy. One is the better angle of attack, allowing for better scraping ability. Another is the brackets for the trip springs are located higher, allowing for more cutting edge life.
    I have had no issue with the pin mounting location"going out"
    In fact I dotn know what that means.
    And no, I have bumped curbs and it didnt not transfere all the energy to the frame, in fact the split design trip edge works very well in keeping that from happening.
    So for me I would recommned the MVP.
  9. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,943


    I think what T-Man is talking about is when the object that you hit is higher than the trip portion of the cutting edge. With a BOSS/Reg Western/Reg Meyer the whole moldbord trips forward and doesn't transfer impact to truck. Where as a Fisher/Western V/Diamond trip edge design works well on obstructions less than the height of the hinge point. If you slam a Fisher/Western V/Diamond into a 10" high curb, you are asking for quite a jolt where a full-trip would be OK and trip right over and absorb the impact.

  10. plowking35

    plowking35 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from S.E. CT
    Messages: 1,687

    Yeah I understood what he meant, its been brought up before, and I will restate what I did then. If you hit anything that high, no plow will absorb it with outn transfering some impact to the truck. I also think that if you hit a 10" curb with a meyer, the plow will be in pieces anyway.
    Unless you are going very slow, no plow of any make or model will absorb that impact.
    Also it will hit at least 1/3-12 way up the moldboard, at that height, the plow will be hard pressed to trip at all.

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