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Brain Storming Time

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by Chris J, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. ccfree

    ccfree LawnSite Member
    Messages: 100

    Don't know about fixture selection without seeing a picture, but do have a suggestion on the type of wire to use. How about a 3 conductor romex? 10 gauge with 3 wires and a ground making four wires so you only have to pull once? Just a thought
  2. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,173

    Why not just go with line voltage fixtures for that section? It would be a lot easier pulling one strand of romex through and not having to worry about VD with limited access. Just a thought. Sometimes the best choice is not always a 12 volt fixture.
  3. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,843

    I'm still considering line voltage for the install, but this is exactly why I want everyone's input. Nothing has yet to be ruled out.
    Please tell me your Line v fixture selection when you have seen the pic.
  4. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Male, from Kingsland, Texas
    Messages: 2,214

    I'll wait for the pics.
  5. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,173

    Look forward to seeing them Chris.
  6. pete scalia

    pete scalia LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 960

    Romex inside of conduit is a code violation
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    Drats, you guys are getting ahead of me here...

    I was going to suggest line voltage wiring to each junction box with a Lightech-75w electronic transformer inside each J-box to power up a LV fixture...

    nah, I will stop and wait for the photos...

  8. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,843

    Pics are coming, but I don't think I'm going to have very much room in these J-boxes for much more than a splice connection. In fact, as I will show you with the pics, some of the J-boxes have been squished together by the concrete pour which may distort the screw locations.....Anyway, pics still to come.
  9. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    Wheres the Pics....James is on to something, before I got to his post the same thought was in my head. Line voltage pulled thru and then utilize our line voltage conversion kit to transform to 12v and mount our Quasar 2 or an Orion sconce light. Not sure of the size of the J Box. If it is say a 4x4 box then maybe you could use a larger Orion Sconce which you can order in 120v and just be done with the low voltage conversion.

    To run a T is still going to require you to fit more than one wire through your conduit which sounds like it would be hard to do if running 10 Guage. If you are using units that go beyond 15v then you could still run 12guage and have no problem distributing voltage to the first connection. How you wire it and distribute it from there is up to you, not sure of the T method rules but I dont think you want inconsistant voltage here. Seems like you could still do a Hub system but your conduit is the real deal breaker here.

    Lets see the pics.
  10. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,843

    Here's the photos. As you can see by the picture of the j-boxes, the contractors didn't do such a great job of keeping them clean. This is going to take an enormous amount of time to chisel out all of the concrete as most of them have concrete in the ends of the conduit (don't know how I'm gonna do that either).
    Anyway, there are a total of 27 j-boxes. 9 down each side of the road, and 9 along that walkway (all spaced 25' apart) There is only power available from one end. Again, I need a fixture that will cover these holes, and I need recommendations on wiring methods. There is not enough room in these 1/2" conduits for multiple runs of 10 guage wire (nor 12 guage). I'm thinking that my only solution is to do it in line voltage, but I'll need suggestions on fixtures in line voltage as well.
    Just for reference, the last picture is the view when you come across the bridge and enter the front of the club house. All those bags are pavers which are being laid very soon.
    Thanks everybody!






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