Can't get insurance for chemical apps.

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Smitty58, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. Smitty58

    Smitty58 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 531

    I would like to get into doing pesticide and fert apps. ,but I can't apply for the license until I have insurance. My nationwide agent has tried to get someone to write me and has not had any luck. He said the problem is the chemicals ,what? Is anyone else here having this problem? I'm only a part time guy ,but I want to do it right (license, ins). So what do you all suggest? I can just do straight fertilizer without a license ,but doesn't that limit my earning potential?
  2. James Cormier

    James Cormier LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Ma
    Messages: 1,217

    ohio is the lawn care capital of the world, if your insurance guy cant get you coverage then its time to find a new one....period
  3. Norm Al

    Norm Al LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,224

    oh yeah i about didnt get workmens comp this year,,,,,,most insurance companys right now are getting hammered with old spray guys sueing for cancer and other ailments,,,,,,they are blaming the chemicals!

    after i survived the rectal probe 6 companys gave us we got insurance,,,,,,double what it was last year!
  4. wmsland

    wmsland LawnSite Member
    from NE OHIO
    Messages: 127

    Try going to State Auto, they offer all kinds of contractor packages. Thy can set you up with a pesticide endorsement that meets the state of Ohio's requirements. They are also very reasonable.
  5. Fvstringpicker

    Fvstringpicker LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,680

    Try to find an agent who writes for Nova Casualty Co out of Buffalo NY. the write mine and a pretty reasonable.
  6. sodzilla

    sodzilla LawnSite Member
    Messages: 219

    The big companies like Am Fam and Allstate wont do pest. My independent agent got mine through General Casaulty Ins. They are located in Wisconsin. I don't know if you can get them in Ohio or not. For $1,000,000 policy cost $540 a year. They don't have a problem with pest. as long as it total less than 50% of your total sales. I will probably go with a $2,000,000 policy though. My agent said it is only a few dollars more a month. You may also want to try Society Ins. They were a little cheaper, but I decided to stay with my normal agent. He's a Longtime friend of the family.
  7. GarPA

    GarPA LawnSite Silver Member
    from PA
    Messages: 2,586

    Be careful of buying policy limits greater than 1 mil.
    The lower the limit, the less likely an attorney will want to take the case against you.(not that 1 mil is at all low limits) The higher the limit, the more likely they will see dollar signs and really go after you. My wife spent many years in the claims side of the insurance business and what I'm telling you is a sad fact as she saw this trend all too often.
    When they see "deeper pockets", the attorneys start salavating.
    I have 1 mil and will never buy more for this reason
  8. OP

    Smitty58 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 531

    Thanks for the advice everyone. I was starting to think that the whole pesticide thing was more trouble than it's worth. I think there is some good money in it ,but if you can't get ins. or you have to pay a couple grand a year for it ,it might be just as well to forget the idea and just do straight fert. What do you all think?
  9. GarPA

    GarPA LawnSite Silver Member
    from PA
    Messages: 2,586

    Profitable yes.
    More regualations in the future...yes. Companies like basf, monsanto, etc, are fighting for their very corporate lives becuase of more govt regs. Plus, if Johnny next door says you poisoned him or his dog, while you may not lose the case, the time and hassle will not be small.
    We do chemicals only if the customer absolutely inisists we do it..otherwise I sub it out...and I handle the bills for the fert...customer sees only my montlhy invoice with the fert included. Many here make a nice profit on chemicals...but for me, I frankly dont want to be handling the stuff and all the other headaches that could occur.
    Profitable yes, but for me, the cons outweigh the pros.
  10. OP

    Smitty58 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 531

    GarPA- I think you are right on the money. That is one of the best answers I've had on here. I believe I'll use your method and defer the chemical apps to someone else. Do you do fertilizer? And if you do is it worth messing with?

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