Isn't the current 440S3 around 288 foot pounds for torque? The sad part is the S3 chassis will no longer be on the market. The 440S3 with a few tweaks is still one of the best machines out there in the midsize market. How awesome would it be to have the 440S3 chassis with a S3 vertical lift option(like a 435/445/465)? The cab may not be as good as the Cat but I feel it had a good balance of functionality and durability. I feel some of the other brands seem chintzy or plasticy. I am not looking forward to the time the skids run DEF or go to the more restrictive Tier levels and it will cost us way more just to own the machine unfortunately. As for Cat using the CNH motor, here is a radical thought - what would stop Cat and Fiat(CNH owner) from rebadging the Alpha series as a Cat? We may have a cow but look at it from the suits perspective, it would lower the cost with extra unit/component volumes and spread that R&D money out?