Chasing down those maintenance contracts!

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by Mr. Quik electric, Mar 28, 2009.

  1. David Gretzmier

    David Gretzmier LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,645

    All true. But perhaps folks are just wanting a starting point to recovery. If i have the choice of sitting home and doing nothing ( which is the case here at least 1 or 2 days a week now) or something that earns me a living, I am willing to start somewhere as long as the homeowner is on board for the cost of the end result.

    It is easier to scrap it all and replace. All of Mike G's comments are true, usually it is all junk. but give me a serviceable trans, PVC pipe already run under sidewalks and drives, and a day, I can make a great impact on a homeowner afraid to spend larger money in todays economy.

    Like mike said, many folks will be upset they have lost 100% of what they invested just a few years ago. If I can come in and replace/repair 25% of thier system on the majors, that goes a long way to building trust for the rest of the 75%. maybe they won't do the other 75 % today, but next month, next year, If what you do works, They will want you back. And it beats staying at home typing on lawnsite.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    Nobody said they had to do it all at once. I am a believer that a little bit of the pie is better than nothing at all as you are hopefully building a long term relationship(as long as the project is being done properly with materials that will last and there is some profit there). Billy and I share the same sentiment of not getting involved with a failed system when the client is not commited to doing the job right. Damage to my credibility by band aiding someone elses botched work is not worth my reputation and the follow up headaches because as soon as you touch it you own it. In the client's mind the last who touched it is responsible including pre-existing conditions. It's just not worth it.
  3. Mr. Quik electric

    Mr. Quik electric LawnSite Member
    Messages: 63

    I agree wholeheartedly. 100%:clapping:
  4. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,180

    True story I kid you not.

    I was doing an install 3 yrs ago for a doctor who works with Ashley. I was installing cast lighting. Another doctor across the street came over and asked me if I had any grease filled wire nuts he could buy. I asked him what he was doing and he said fixing his lighting wire again. I went over to look at it and his malibu lights has been spliced up about 15 times across a walkway. I asked him if he was interested in a new system that would be trouble free and his reply is.

    "No this has been pretty reliable. I only need to fix a connection or change a bulb once a month. Thats pretty good for this low voltage stuff":laugh::laugh:

    He got a bit upset when I wouldnt work on the system. Even back then I knew better.
  5. klkanders

    klkanders LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Messages: 849

    Sounds like the doc was pretty proud of his repairs Billy! He didn't happen to be a surgeon did he? hmmm

  6. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,180

    No , The home I was installing belonged to the surgeon.
  7. EOL

    EOL LawnSite Member
    Messages: 62

    I started selling these customers on the 24 volt system by unique. As you know you go up to the first fixture and it might read 12.5 volt and down to the last one it might read 7.5 volt. Well instead of rewiring everything to make it right and running out more homeruns to compensate for the load, you can eliminate that because now you can put more fixtures on a single homerun and your voltage spread is greater on a 24 volt lamp. I save them money, I gain a life long customer, and I don't have to rewire the whole system.
  8. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,180

    Efrain. I can see your point but you are still giving them the most expensive part of the system.

    I also encourage you to strip back some of that insulation and take a good look at that wire that has had bad connections for years. In my experience it is oxidized and corroded not to mention sometimes brittle which I am attibuting to being either cheap wire or over loaded.

    You can also never know how many times it has been spliced between the trans and the first fixture. I applaud you for getting them into a new system vs trying to fix junk but you wouldnt go out to buy a brand new car that had a junk transmission and driveshaft. That is esentially what wire does.. Transfers power from the engine (transformer) to the parts that actually move you (fixtures)

    I am pretty sure we have all reused some portion of wire especially when it is unreplaceable without alot of disturbance to the property. I myself am very careful about reusing old wires. It has usually been spliced a million times.

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    Billy, you are wise way beyond the amount of years you have been doing this work. Excellent post ! :clapping::clapping::clapping:

    MAGLIGHTING LawnSite Member
    Messages: 248

    If you have 5 volts between your first and last fixture you will still have 5 volts between your first and last fixture no matter what voltage you put to your first fixture. No transformer will compensate for poor wiring technique. I am positive Unique will tell you the same.

    Perhaps a 10% drop is palatable to some. With 24V that's 2.4V compared to 12V and 1.2V drop (which to me is not acceptable, I hit .5V spread on each and every fixture on each and every project).

    There is no cutting corners or a free lunch. I am sure Unique is not teaching this method. Nate has always been festidious when it comes to power distribution and load balancing.

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