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Cold Weather & Wire

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting, Nov 13, 2007.

  1. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    The cold weather is decending upon us here now. Most nights are dipping below freezing and with that cold comes my total frustration and disdain for working with that darned Tin-ox wire attached to all of my CAST Tree lights.

    This stuff is insufferable in the cold. It is stiff to say the least. It doesnt fall from the mounting position down the trunk straight and it requires constant working and stapling in order to get it to lay flat. What a pain in the butt.

    Most of the copper cable we use doesnt pose a problem until it reaches down to -15 to -20 celcius or so (then the jacket has a way of splitting as you pull it) but when it is that cold out the last thing you really want to be doing is pre-wiring boat houses in any case.

    Does anyone have a solution for working with cold and stranded lighting cable, specifically the tin-ox stuff?

    Have a great day.
  2. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    Heat Gun??? LOL, maybe you can wrap the wire with insulation to keep it warm at night!!

    I say just make a good connection and be done with the fear of your wire rotting out. The form I posted in the other wire thread you started shows that the Resistance and VD increases by about 7.7% when using Tin coated cable. I know you were worried about the change in resistance regarding certain sized stranded 12/2.

    I just dont know that there is anything you can do. Steve P. should have a suggestion to this.
  3. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,180

    man its gonna be 82 here tmrw. We just came in from a sales meeting and its still 68 out :laugh:
  4. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Male, from Kingsland, Texas
    Messages: 2,214

    87 here today!! It's time for a cool down!!

    James, check with Paige wire. I'm sure you know who they are. If there's a wire question, their the ones to ask.
  5. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    Yadda Yadda Yadda, Blah Blah Blah.... so it is nice and warm where you live... BIG DEAL! :laugh: At least we dont have Hurricanes, Tornados, Eathquakes, Mud Slides, and Floods to deal with! Here all we have to master are the frigid winters, the snow that generally accompanies said winters, and of course the black flies and mosquitos of summer.

    Believe it or not, in the last 7 days, despite it being very cold, damp, and mostly raining... I have managed to sell over $125k in lighting... not a bad week where ever you live. :clapping:
  6. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,102

    Joey, its not that I use the Tin-Ox wire for my systems... it is more that CAST attaches 35' of it to the end of their Tree Light fixtures. (I LOVE that the wire is pre-attached, its just the performance of that wire in the cold that sucks) I am not worried about my wire rotting or poor connections etc. I have had all that solved for a very long time now.

    Have a great day.
  7. Mike & Lucia

    Mike & Lucia LawnSite Member
    Messages: 67

    James, congrats on the stellar week of sales. Sweet!

    As for your question, I deal with the same issue. We canned the No-Ox a while back, but when using Cast fixtures one must find a way to deal. I won't install anything but a Cast tree light fixture. I have yet to find anything that even comes close. The only way I could ease the pain is to store the fixtures in a heated area overnight. We don't let them sit in the trailer on site for three cold nights prior to installation. When transporting, I'll take a box out of the office or my kids playroom :laugh: and put it on the floor of my truck near the heater until ready for instal. It takes a while for them to stiffen again. Conversely, once cold and stiff, it takes a couple of days for them to return to pliable again. Hope this helps. Anybody have something better?

  8. ChampionLS

    ChampionLS LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,066

    Why not roll the cable up into a ball, and after you mount your light, let it drop down. It should un-roll most of the way down without tangling.
  9. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,933

    why not use our downlights?? I think everyone knows you get the wire lead (best wire possible) as well as a lamp, mounting bracket and hardware, and a pack of lenses.
  10. steveparrott

    steveparrott LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,276

    James, I'd say that a heat gun would be the best choice to warm the stiff cable on the site. It should warm up pretty quick.

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