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Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by DVS Hardscaper, Sep 24, 2012.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    I attended a Vanderkoi (sp) seminar a few years ago and we went around the room and each contractor shared their net profit on a per job basis. The average was 18 to 22% (again, per job).

    And that's about where we are with our hardscapes, sometimes 25%, sometimes 30%, but most of the time 18-22%.

    LOL - so this guy claiming "30%" is just hilarious!!!!! It would be cheaper for me to not do the work at all (which we're not) and take the guy golfing for a day.

  2. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 15,222

    Good ole Ben, so very eloquent. And to the point.
  3. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
    from DFW, TX
    Messages: 7,961

    Vander Koi is a great! Everyone needs to go listen to him.
  4. TriCountyLawn

    TriCountyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,517

    You should send him a bill for wasting your time reading and placing that in the trash can. Who would even mess with that..
  5. knox gsl

    knox gsl LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,157

    Got 2 options raise your price 30% more for him so he can have his little discount or tell him to kiss your a$$.
  6. xtreem3d

    xtreem3d LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 801

    If he's the general on the job then he's the bank too. Sounds like he's trying to make sure he has positive cash flow. At one job I work at the standard mark up is 5-6%. I may have to general an irrigation system and that would be about 9-10% because I will have to outlay quite a bit of money.
  7. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,793

    But i bet he has so much work that he can keep you busy non stop and you will make more money than ever. SARCASM
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  8. PaperCutter

    PaperCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,996

    Clearly someone thinks they're a baller. When I worked sales in a different industry, we'd always have big accounts sending out letters stating "in light of these challenging economic times all vendors will institute an immediate 5% price reduction or we will terminate their contracts." You'd be amazed how many companies (like the piece o' crap I worked for) would fall in line.
  9. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,601

    There is a difference between a
    Sub-contractor and a contractor. I am a contractor, who also does general contracting of small jobs.

    I have a friend that owns a concrete business. He
    Works for a couple home builders and he does alotta concrete work for one pool builder. My friend does not know the first thing about marketing. He does not know anything about writing a contract. he has no experience with working with the public. He has never had to sit down and design a job. All He does is report to lot number 29 and pours concrete. he doesn't even have a website, he doesn't need one.

    So a bonefide sub contractor can work for much less money than a true Contractor.

    This job at hand the pool company knows nothing about the logistics. I have to coordinate the materials, I have to coordinate with the home owner havin vehicles moved, and very possibly have to work with the adjacent property owner to allow us to drive our loader over a portion of their lawn. See, a true sub-contractor usually does not have to obtain materials, the GC supplies the materials.

    Also, this guy is not aware of the required permit and what's involved with the county!

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  10. PaperCutter

    PaperCutter LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,996

    Out west I worked for a landscape co that dealt directly with the homeowner but had to give a 10-15% kickback to the pool co. We obviously just marked our prices up by that much. It's where I learned to sell - if your pricing is that out of line with the market you better be able to close or you're going hungry.

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