every single commercial job i've ever bid, i lost, by someone who came in ALOT cheaper. and it's always the "big professional" outfits that come in cheap. my last bid= a cemetary, and 2 churches. full service= cleanups, mowing, ferts, and seasonal flowers. i bid at $39,000. the winning bid....was $16,000. freaking CLOWNS, the 16 grand was about what the cleanup alone would have been at the cemetary.