I have some friends and other contacts in the high end landscape business. These are "old money" areas of Dallas where MV is still key. So I went to meet my friend today regarding a job doing some ornamental steel work.(a talent on mine that wont go away) anyways luck has it the architect was there. The job site is an older town home with a good size backyard. Lots of established landscape. I started looking around at all the lighting. There are some bollards being used, huge MV cans some of it up in the trees. I suggested they rip all that out and let me install a quality low voltage system. I got their attention and they are interested and want me to demo. Not for the sake of demo'ing rather than to show them how much better it would look. Funny how these guys in all they do, still are slow to come around to LV, Anyway the next thing they brought up was downlighting. Surely you can't emulate what you get with MV in downlighting. After I told them "yes, actually I can" they took me to another job site. We're talking a real old money neighborhood with huge towering trees. So I guess what Im getting at is that if you want to get in to these type neighborhoods where typically big money is spent, A you have to contend with the old school and B you are going to have to downlight. So from way up there and for the full affect I should use a 50watt m16 with a 60 spread. And I should probably use a filter (green?) to emulate what they are used to seeing and then switch to blue to show them what it can look like. Im willing to invest my time in this because Jay, my friend, gets good paying jobs from this architect. I want in. This job was quoted at 16k for the line voltage system. We've kicked around the downlighting topic before but not necessarily in place of MV lights. I actually have a guy working for me now on the Landscape crew that is an experienced climber too.