Compost Organic Lawncare vs. Organic Fertilizer L/C

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by c2weech, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    I thouht he was asking, why we don't discuss organic fertilizers on this forum...

    Hahaha, that's what's known as 'milking it'... :)
  2. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    Hey, great website... I particularily like this section:

    "Nov. For the 2.0 lb N Sept. application, an average of 75% of fertilizer
    was taken up compared to 48% and 25% in Oct. and Nov.
    (Fig 1 and 2).
    Recommendations: Because these results suggest that N
    uptake declines substantially as temperatures decrease, fertilizer
    recommendations should be decreased to match N uptake capacity.
    In other words, if you apply late fall N, do so at a reduced
    rate, 0.25-0.5 lb N and know that not all the fertilizer will be
    taken up by the plant. On high sand content soils, these rates
    should be further reduced to decrease leaching."***

    Here in the Midwest, I belive that the winterizer should be put down in Sept. to allow the plant to store as much energy for the winter as possible, and this article seems to suport that notion...
    It also links uptake to temperature, so the same would apply to springtime applications... By the time the winter storge carbs are used up it should be warm enough to utilize N efficiantly and get it going for the season... :)
  3. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    Getting back to the original reason for Unit28's post, I agree, this pretty much say it all... :)
    "1) Maintaining the "tilth" or granular
    structure of the soil which influences
    water infiltration, air and water retention
    and root penetration,
    2) Providing a source of mineral elements
    such as phosphorus, sulfur, and
    essentially, along with microorganisms,the only non-applied source of nitrogen,
    3) Providing the main source of energy
    for soil micro-organisms, without which
    soil biochemical activity would come to a
  4. c2weech

    c2weech LawnSite Member
    Messages: 62

    I like this point you make also as far as being ahead of the curve. I see from your location you are in Ontario. I have watched the movie"A Chemical Reaction" in my research which focuses on Ontario's banning of Synthetics. From the movie it makes it seem like all of Ontario now uses compost (or at least this is what I assumed)

    My question to you is this true or do many in the province use organic fertilizers now?

    And now a question to all Does this sound like an accurate distinction between the two Oncanic/Natural Fertz may be natural but the lawn is dependent still on the Ferts while maybe Compost Organics promotes an Organic and probably more importantly Sustainable Lawn?

    Also do you guys think that the ferts. can really be called organic?
    thanks again to all the feedback thus far
  5. JDUtah

    JDUtah LawnSite Silver Member
    from UT
    Messages: 2,636

    Actually he was asking both...

    As far as why we don't discuss organic ferts here... the conversation almost always turns into an un-pleasant argument about sustainability.

    I don't see how this is milking it... please explain?
  6. c2weech

    c2weech LawnSite Member
    Messages: 62

    I guess that I am asking why you guys do not talk about organic ferts. is it because you don't believe that it is truly "Organic lawn care" and if you don't believe it is tell me why?

    Explain to me as if I was a customer I suppose.

    If I am a customer asking, "Why would I need to put compost and compost tea on my yard when TrueGreen offers Natural Lawn applications which are all natural organic fertilizers ?"


    I am enjoying reading the responses
  7. JDUtah

    JDUtah LawnSite Silver Member
    from UT
    Messages: 2,636

    My response would be...

    "Truegreen wants to dust your lawn 5 times through the season with meals derived from bone, dried blood, feathers, corn, etc. While these sources provide nutrients they can attract other pests like rodents, birds, etc. Also, depending on the meal that they use they may not be sustainable. For instance, corn meal is probably produced from corn grown with chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Not to mention that corn is a food source and me using it on your lawn can drive the price of food up.

    Other organic companies want to sell you a large compost topdressing once or twice a year followed up by various 'compost tea' applications. The initial price is significant, and in my experience there are better ways to provide nutrients and weed and pest control through the season.

    My program uses a locally produced compost that comes from yard waste. I apply it evenly throughout the year. This way you get the normal visit to your property which can include weed, disease, and insect control, all while providing an even application of nutrients. Now you have an organic solution available that not only feeds your soil and your grass the right way, it acts and feels just like the program that you are used to having. You do not need to front large amounts of money for compost topdressings with my program, but you can rest assured that your lawn will be green and beautiful while protecting you, your family, and mother earth."

    My .02
  8. c2weech

    c2weech LawnSite Member
    Messages: 62

    Also do you not topdress? Only spray compost tea? It is unclear from your response above
  9. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Sustainable solutions is what "organics" is all about .... and any argument to the contrary is nothing short of absurd.
  10. JDUtah

    JDUtah LawnSite Silver Member
    from UT
    Messages: 2,636

    I agree completely. That is why I choose not to use meals myself.

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