Compost Organic Lawncare vs. Organic Fertilizer L/C

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by c2weech, Mar 19, 2011.

  1. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Hahahaha, what does AZ have for indigenous grasses?, or anything that naturally resembles lawn.... :
  2. ParadiseLS

    ParadiseLS LawnSite Member
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    I will check out that movie (documentary, i assume???)

    well, no, there is not an organic revolution here, and certainly compost hasn't taken over. yes, lots of companies advertise it (most of them do so just as part of an overseeding option--i.e. they stress the seeding, and mention compost as a detail of the process). what has happened is that Home Depot, etc. now offer fertilizers that do not contain any of a laundry list of chemicals. they are still the same basic water soluble sulfur-coated urea granules that are 30-0-3 or similar. are these products free of the worst chemicals? sure, but they don't exactly adhere to organic principles of sustainability or working with the soil.

    yes to your last question for the reasons i just stated. compost drives sustainability. water-soluble nitrogen-boosting urea is giving the lawn methadone instead of crack. you haven't cured the addiction, you've just made it a less harmful dependency.

    simply put: what good is fertilizer if your soil isn't adequate to absorb and process it efficiently for your lawn?

    and i have saved some contracts i've seen from fert companies to show to prospective customers. the fine print always says something about the customer watering the lawn for 30 minutes every other day or other silly things. i, on the other hand tell my customers to water once a week (not at all if it got a nice rain), and that they can look forward to throwing out their sprinklers in a few years if they stick with my plan to build OM, support mycorrhizae and bacteria, and reduce apps and save money on top of all that.
  3. c2weech

    c2weech LawnSite Member
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    Paradise thanks for the response! Great info
  4. quackgrass

    quackgrass LawnSite Senior Member
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    So we should only use peasants with wooden pitch forks to turn our compost piles and horses with wood sleds to haul it right?

    Because currently we use tons of chemicals, ores and fuel for the equipment to produce and apply "organics," strictly speaking of course.
  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Inputs into the system Quack ..... but then you knew that, didn't you. [​IMG]

    FYI ... I don't advocate building landscapes that are not regionally appropriate .... and preferably require no inputs of any kind .... including labor. Guess that means you are out of a job.
  6. JDUtah

    JDUtah LawnSite Silver Member
    from UT
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    If you would be so willing, can you post a couple picks of these completely zero input landscapes you advocate? Thanks :)
  7. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Drive to a naturalized area and take a picture.
  8. quackgrass

    quackgrass LawnSite Senior Member
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    That's like selling an organic carrot on a styrofoam tray wrapped in cellophane, then calling it an organic product. Hypocrisy at its finest. You can keep trying to sell "organics" as sustainable by ignoring ALL the inputs, but if you want to move out of your mom's basement and get off welfare, you should cut the BS and start selling based on performance and leave out the spin.

    Most of my work is environmental reclamation on mining sites, I have contracts on multiple EPA superfund sites to provide composting and native re-vegetation services. We are seeing an expansion in mining as nickel, cadmium and copper are in even greater demand, so I wouldn't worry about my job security. As long as the push for sustainable energy keeps the demand for battery and copper production high, I'll be good.
  9. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    I don't ignore any of the inputs quack. I assess all impacts when recommending products, which is one big reason why I don't recommend using plant based meals. Do you have something meaningful to discuss, or are you just here to throw around insults and troll for arguments?

    Funny ..... I though most of your work was forestry related given what you have stated on this forum on multiple occasions. I just can't keep up. Yesterday it was 10's of thousands of trees .... today it's environmental reclamation. :dizzy:
  10. quackgrass

    quackgrass LawnSite Senior Member
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