Considering dropping snow relocation for good. Other Winter employment options...?

Discussion in 'General Industry Discussions' started by Exact Rototilling, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
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    Good points. If I could actually find a job where I can be off for the snow drill then back to work on non snow days...I'd probably continue to do snow. :rolleyes:
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  2. MiscCleanUpCrew

    MiscCleanUpCrew LawnSite Member
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    I own my own company up in tbay now, I used to know a few of the companies in Stratford/New Hamburg.

    Congratulations on starting early, I wish I started back when I was 14 instead of wasting time on video games.
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  3. NickSnow&Mow

    NickSnow&Mow LawnSite Member
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    thanks. haha ya ive never been into video games, do you know the stratford property care guys?
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  4. 32vld

    32vld LawnSite Gold Member
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    I do it because I need the money.

    It is not bad because 12 snow storms over the course of mid Dec to end of March is not a lot of time.

    What is bad is that I can not go away during that time of year because I can not count on my sons to be able to cover for me. I do not mind not being free to go away for any length of time mid March to mid December. Though to be tied down for the whole year makes me wish I could afford to give up snow.
  5. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
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    If I could in fact gross at least $7,000 off of flat rate snow I would do it again. That would be 25 accounts priced at an average of $280 seasonal flat rate.

    There is a tiny glimmer of "snow optimism" in the back of my mind that says, "yeah get back in there and aggressively market".

    Facts are even with my fast blowers....this number of accounts becomes difficult to grind through in a resonable period of time if the snow turns to wet heavy slush...solo. There is no guarantee I can capture that many accounts to in fact meet my income requirements. My commercial insurance payment is due in March. Just shy of $3k.

    The stress I went through last year with a nominal amount of accounts and having my feet held to the fire "contractually" is not something I want to repeat again.

    I really need a change of scenery and place. I dread the idea of leaving my son behind for months on end but leaving the area for a high paying job does have its appeal.
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  6. lawnsaspire

    lawnsaspire LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Hi Exact. How is your insurance so high. My biz insurance is like $640 a yr for a million liability coverage.
    What kind of blowers are you using. I'm considering getting a more powerful back pack blower for cleaning off walks and steps. Does anyone else do this? I do 35 snow accounts with a helper who has a 4 wheeler but my back can't take shoveling any more.
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  7. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
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    I have found the Toro Quick Chutes to be the fastest of the single stage throwers. Echo PB770 and 755 back pack blowers. Those really only work for dry powder snow up to maybe 6-8" on steps. Deeper it is the drier it needs to be to move well.

    My commercial insurance policy includes my trucks and trailers and equipment for theft and replacement.

    I had thought of offering a driveway only clearing plan at a reduced rate. Hate the tedium of hand shoveling steps when the pressure is on and grumpy old clients are waiting. Basically faster to run up and down the driveway only with Toro Single stage blower than it is to hand shovel step etc.
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  8. Barnabas

    Barnabas LawnSite Member
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    Any of you thought about just plowing for the state or for a commercial snow contractor? Big one here in MD pay s $70 an hour for a truck/suv with just blade. More for salt/dumps.

    He doesnt care what you drive as long as it pushes and has 30+ commercial contracts. Ive never done less then 12 hours in a a storm and a 6" storm is usually 36+ hours and 2" around 24

    Just a thought if you want to let off some of the stress of maintaining the accounts and all the headaches. If i want to go out of town i just let him know dates so he knows im not available. he has 100+ people working for him he gets it all covered.

    He also pays people to run his own equipment and runs a bunch of machines as well as dumps and pickups.
  9. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
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    I don't have a plow for my truck. Most years this is NOT a heavy snow area. We did have 2 heavy winters few years back. 80"+ each winter. Most years nominal snow fall. Numerous trips for less than 4-5"...

    I hate to admit to admit it...I'm horrible at quitng things. Making my final decision this holiday weekend.

    Tiny glimmer of hope in offering a 12 month flat rate plan for total lawn and snow. NO Pruning. Or flower bed work or hand weeding. :)
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  10. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
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    If I quit snow. Numerous folks are going to ask who do they call -or- who can I recommend...?

    Seriously most folks in my area have helpful neighbors who will clear walks up and down the street just to be nice.

    If I loose a few growing season clients that's fine.
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