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Contracts? NYS DEC Requirement

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Whitey4, Apr 6, 2008.

  1. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,448

    Good freakin grief! I am shot. I have done some one-shot contracts for early apops this year, but in NYS to be legal, I need a signed contract for every app. That, and I need to supply all the CAUTION sections of the label for each control product... BUT... those cut and pasted labels also have to be in 12 point type. That means copying each label, blowing it up on my printer, cut and paste, recopy, and attach each control material label to be applied to every customer's contract.

    Then it has to get signed by the customer, wait two days at least, notify adjoining property owners of a pesticide app, then finally, apply. I'm goin through black ink cartridges on my printer like there is no tommorrow.

    Finally got them all done, and drove around dropping them off on a Sunday night, because with the recent warm weather, I have to get my Lebanon w/Barricade down this week. Then, I have to keep each signed contract on file for 3 years for DEC audits.

    This is my first year as a legal certified app tech and registered pestricide business with the state (that only cost another $450) and the paperwork takes more time than doing the apps!

    This is NYS nonsense.... how bad is the paperwork trail for the rest of you? It's already killin me....
  2. turf hokie

    turf hokie LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,751

    Whitey, No need to notify for a granular app of anything. There are also exempt liquid products, not many for turf but plenty for non-selective, and trees, ornamentals etc. Also, since your lawns seem to be small, look into a 32 oz sprayer and do spot treatments. This would exempt you from notifying no matter what you sprayed.
  3. jrc lawncare

    jrc lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    At least the $450 is for three years. Glad I don't have neighbour notification in my area, that sucks. Yup, the paperwork blows, I think these dec azzholes justify there job by dreaming up half this sheot.:hammerhead: What a waste of good paper, I buy it by the case for my copier. Most of my contracts are already back, still waiting on a few stragglers.
  4. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,448

    Yeah, I knew that about granular apps... another reason I use granular whenever I can, but for my broadleaf apps... it bites. I refuse to use a granular for that. I also know about the 32oz "spot spraying" not requiring notification. I have some large beds to cleanup, and I'll have to use my packpack sprayer pretty often... ivy eradication too. I do have 3 32oz sprayers.

    jrc... That stupid notification law was sponsored by my idoit state assemblyman, Marcellino. Strictly a political thing to look like a hero and was doing something about the breast cancer rate in Long Island. Freakin moron. He excempted golf courses and cemetaries... so when Pat Voges asked him why, he said "Politicians play golf." Voges said "Yeah, ad they use cemataries too. I hope you use one soon."
  5. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,723

    ridiculous in NYS, Whitey. Like anybody is going to read all those precautions. We get by fine here without signed contracts--and no one asks or wants to read all the precautions for all the products. Stupid politicians, and DEQ. We have flags and Epa numbers (and rate and chemical name and percent concentration and target pest, and gallons used) on the invoice. We have a sensitive persons registry and a neighbor list. Not too many fortunately.
  6. Whitey4

    Whitey4 LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,448

    That is just the start of it in NY.... in Feb, we have to submit a report.... for EVERY app we do, saying "front lawn" isn't good enough... it has to say "east of driveway to eastern property line". West side of house, ten foot wide strip of turf, west of driveway to western property line. 100 long, 3 foot wide strip of turf between sidewalk and street. Rear section of turf in backyard from deck on the south, to western edge of garden bed, and south of garge to southern property line.

    It is ridiculous. The bastards will fine you too, if your records aren't "right'.
  7. vegomatic40

    vegomatic40 LawnSite Senior Member
    from 6
    Messages: 406

    Whitey, reading stuff like this gives me chills just thinking if Hillary is elected. Regulations run amok. I can't imagine Obama or McCain being much better. Suffering from "electile dysfunction" this year. No candidate excites me in the least.
  8. lawnguyland

    lawnguyland LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,108

    Oh crap- I just write 'entire turf area as needed' on mine. I'm tired of this. That's enough. When my certification runs out they can shove it.
  9. lawnguyland

    lawnguyland LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,108

    They make us jump thru hoops and NEVER enforce the law anyway. Illegals running around sprayin and applying here constantly. Then they sell the same crap in Lowes to uneducated joe home owner or weekend warrior who apply whatever, wherever, whenever, with NO records. What a crock of ****. Fudge U Albany and Nassau
  10. SMC

    SMC LawnSite Member
    Messages: 58

    I stopped doing applications in New York State. The neighbor notification laws are crazy. I don't know how anyone operates a business in New York.

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