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I am sure that this has been discussed here before but, does any one have any info on whether or not soy holds any weight when it comes to the properties that cgm has in regards to -

1.pre-em
2.fertilizer
3.added organic matter to the soil.

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I am sure that this has been discussed here before but, does any one have any info on whether or not soy holds any weight when it comes to the properties that cgm has in regards to -

1.pre-em
2.fertilizer
3.added organic matter to the soil.

Thanks
To the best of my knowledge, soybean meal has no pre-emergent qualities.
All meal products add organic value in the form of protein as a source of food for soil microbes.

Soybean meal's analysis as a fertilizer is approx 6-1-2, meaning that if you applied it at a rate of 15 lb / 1000 sq ft (650 lb / acre), you'd yield very close to 1 lb of N per 1000. (math: .06 X 15 = 0.9............ or approx 1 lb)

CGM is of course both a pre-emergent and fertilizer.
Correct rates for each depend upon factors such as local climate, soil makeup & pH, turf density and overall weed pressure.

In NC I'd estimate the pre-emergent rate for CGM to be between 20-25 lb / 1000, and the fertilizer rate to be 10 lb / 1000 sq ft per application.
CGMs fertilizer analysis is 9-0-0.
(math: .09 X 10 = 0.9.......... or approx 1 lb)

So you can see the N-potency of CGM is 50% stronger than soybean, but you lose P, K, and some of the ease of application.

Other grain-based & non-grain based meals commonly marketed, usually blended w/ biosolids or other organic products:

(approximate analyses)
6-2-2 cotton seed meal
2-0-0 corn meal
3-1-3 alfalfa meal
6-2-1 canola seed meal (a.k.a. rapeseed)

10-6-0 fish meal
13-2-1 blood meal
13-0-0 granulated feather meal
 

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"After five years of application the high and the mid-rate of both the corn gluten and soybean meal had significantly lower dandelion counts than the untreated control. There were no significant differences between the soybean and the corn gluten meal at similar rates of application." - http://ptrc.oldscollege.ca/pdf/LongTermCorn-Soy.pdf

I ran across this a few months ago, and I am using soybean meal this spring on 4 test lawns. Not enough time has passed to make a judgement on results, but I have made weekly visits to those lawns and have seen one single chickweed plant and no other weeds. These lawns were all weed free at the close of last season, so I am sure that is a factor as well. Also, crabgrass has not yet started to germinate in my area, and the soil has only been warm enough for most other weeds for about a week.

I liked the soybean meal, and hope it works well for 3 reasons:

1 - lower N than what is found in CGM. I really don't like the idea of applying 2 lbs. N per 1000 sq. ft. at the beginning of the season. Most of my soil tests recommended 1 - 1.5 lbs N per 1000, so applying 20 lbs soy meal per 1000 put me right in the ballpark.

2 - soybean meal is about 2/3 of the price of CGM. I haven't priced CGM this spring, but last fall, it was at around $19 for 50 lbs. I paid $12.75 for 50 lbs SBM pellets this spring.

3 - SBM is available in pelleted form. The pellets are small enough to get an even coverage, but large enough to reduce the compaction in the spreader that often comes with applying meals. The pellets that I used were about 1/8" thick and about 1/4" long.
 

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Southern states has 50lb. bags of sbm for $16 (including tax) but I think that I can find it cheaper some where around here. This state grows a lot of soy beans.
What do you guys think about mixing in a little composted chicken manure with the sbm for an application or is that over kill?
 

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Southern states has 50lb. bags of sbm for $16 (including tax) but I think that I can find it cheaper some where around here. This state grows a lot of soy beans.
What do you guys think about mixing in a little composted chicken manure with the sbm for an application or is that over kill?
I think it is important to be as diverse as possible, sounds like a great idea
Let us know how it goes through the season
 

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Marcos thanks for the information. If found this yesterday regarding the pre-em aspect of soy meal.http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/fletcher/programs/ncorganic/research/soy.html
I beg your pardon.
I've seen similar studies to the one you posted, but my 'some-timers' brain apparently forgot! :dizzy:

I should have said... to the best of my knowledge, soybean meal has no pre-emergent qualities in turf.

Take those controlled greenhouse growing conditions away with the virtually perfect peat/sand/vermiculite medium, pre-set watering, humidity, day & night temperature, etc............... and then attempt to reproduce that NC State soybean meal experiment in various types of completely uncontrolled exterior turf exposures.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work, nc.
Soybean meal very well MAY work as a pre-emergent in turf at a certain threshold of potency, and it's worth more reserach.
But no question about it, greenhouse environment vs. real world turf are two entirely different animals!

Hypothetically, if it works as a pre-emergent in the greenhouse at 'X' level, it may not function similarly in exterior conditions until it is applied at (X x 2), give or take a few percentages.
And of course, once the rate of soybean meal is close to becoming doubled, the cost-effectiveness factor of the product becomes an issue, the problem many folks have now with CGM.
 

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I did notice one of the comments on the testing was "at the high range" which may be as much as 40 or 60 pounds per 1000

The grass would grow so thick a weed would never have a chance, you would be mowing a hayfield every week
 

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I ran across this a few months ago, and I am using soybean meal this spring on 4 test lawns. Not enough time has passed to make a judgement on results, but I have made weekly visits to those lawns and have seen one single chickweed plant and no other weeds.

I liked the soybean meal, and hope it works well for 3 reasons:

1 - lower N than what is found in CGM. I really don't like the idea of applying 2 lbs. N per 1000 sq. ft. at the beginning of the season. Most of my soil tests recommended 1 - 1.5 lbs N per 1000, so applying 20 lbs soy meal per 1000 put me right in the ballpark.

2 - soybean meal is about 2/3 of the price of CGM. I haven't priced CGM this spring, but last fall, it was at around $19 for 50 lbs. I paid $12.75 for 50 lbs SBM pellets this spring.

3 - SBM is available in pelleted form. The pellets are small enough to get an even coverage, but large enough to reduce the compaction in the spreader that often comes with applying meals. The pellets that I used were about 1/8" thick and about 1/4" long.
If you haven't seen chickweed or other weeds thus far this spring, don't give all the credit to the meals, give credit to yourself for renovating, seeding & over all developing the turf density to the point to which it can successfully crowd out such invaders before they can even get a foot-hold! :waving:

My guys like soybean meal a lot because it's the easiest spreading meal to spread out of the hoppers. Typically we'll use it twice a year.

To help gradually neutralize alkaline soil in many of our clients' turf, we'll have cotton seed meal shipped in from the South for at least one round.
Some clients get CSM and others won't, depending upon that springs' individual soil sample result.

Every so often or when the price is right we'll do a round of alfalfa meal.
This is normally done in the early fall not so much for the N, but to boost soil potasium levels.
Most folks here already know alfalfa meal is a pain in the arse to spread evenly unless the hopper has a REALLY good agitator. When we spread AM we rent a specific spreader that has a vibrator, like salt spreaders, so we can calibrate & not waste expensive product.

Regarding CGM:
If you're keeping (most) potential weed break throughs in check via sheer turf density, you shouldn't have to think of CGM anymore in terms of pre-emergent, right? :)
If your equipment allows you to, you can cut CGM back to 10 lb per 1000 & you'd of course just be fertilizing with it at a 1 lb N / 1000 rate.
Save that heavier 20 lb / 1000 (2 lb N) rate of CGM for specific areas where you know weeds will be historically worse as the year moves along- sidewalk & driveway edges, high-traffic areas, along decorative paver walkways, etc.
 

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great advice, thanks for the tips
 
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