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CT GVWR Laws and when do you need a CDL

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by CutRight, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. CutRight

    CutRight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    I'm in the process of buying a bigger truck to match up with my excavator for legal towing. (legal always helps) With all the trouble at Avon mountain with the trucks crashing, I feel its really important for me to be completely legal in all my towing and truck capacities. I dont need a huge fine. So...

    I'm looking at a Chevy 4500 or a 5500, either of which you do not need a CDL to drive, but...I will be towing around 17,000 - 19,000 lbs, between excavator and trailer weight. From what i've heard, if you're towing over 10,000lbs you need to have a CDL class A liscence. (I've been towing over 10,000 lbs ever since i got my dump trailer.) Wondering if theres anybody on here that has a CDL in CT or happens to knows the laws in CT
  2. echovalley

    echovalley LawnSite Member
    from CT
    Messages: 91

    It is a must to have a CLASS A when towing ANYTHING over 10k.You should have attended the landscape show in Hartford as the DOT TRUCK SQUAD was there and could have answered any of your ?.Also I think a 4500 with the duramax is really going to struggle pulling a hill like RT6 with a 18klb machine
  3. CutRight

    CutRight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    echovalley, its a 12,000 lb machine plus the weight of the trailer, 5500 lbs. still think itll struggle? i know thats one hell of a hill and a road i travel a lot. im still in the process of picking out a truck so whatever input i can get will help. Kodiak 4500 supposedly is rated for 19,600 lbs towing with a 26,000 GVW i believe.
  4. echovalley

    echovalley LawnSite Member
    from CT
    Messages: 91

    Sorry I didn't know you were including the trailer in the #.Yeah the dump will pull around a 12# machine ok
  5. CutRight

    CutRight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    i was wrong about the 4500 gvwr....its up to 19,500 lbs.

    the 5500 is up to 26,000 lbs. gvwr, pretty big difference

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    We have both trucks and 6500 series. Any of them will pull what you want at highway speeds and we have grades running 3-4 miles at 6-8%.
  7. CutRight

    CutRight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    echovalley, if you do have your CDL Class A licence, i'd like to ask what vehicle you provided for your test, how hard do you think it was, and do you think that I would be able to take the test with Chevy 4500 and a 9 or 10 ton trailer. by definition i should be able to.

    i heard theres a 90 point pre-trip check.
    back trailer in between cones
    parallel park truck and trailer.

    wondering if anyone has experience with this in CT.

    I'm not too intimidated by the backing up of the trailer, I think im the best person with a trailer I know. Longest trailer i've had to drive is a 34 foot gooseneck. backed it up no problem. just hoping that you dont have to drive a tractor trailer truck and a 40 foot trailer to get the licence....just so i can tow my equipment around.

    As I'm looking through the state websites and talk to people, I believe I have it figured out.

    Commercial Driver's License

    A = Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds providing the gross vehicle rating (GVWR) of the vehicle(s) being towed in excess of 10,000 pounds.
    - holders of class A licenses may, with the appropriate endorsements and restrictions, operate all vehicles within classes B and C.
    (took that from the CT website)

    to take the CDL test i need to supply my own vehicle appropriate to the class rating i wish to take, so what im wondering is will they allow me to take the test with a Chevy 5500 with a 10 ton trailer. I'm assuming yes from that above definition.
    Chevy 5500 GVWR = 26,000 lbs
    Trailer GVWR = 20,000 lbs
    Gross Combined Weight Rating = 46,000lbs

    so i may only need a 4500 since:
    4500 GVWR =17,500lbs
    Trailer GVWR =20,000 lbs
    GCWR =37,500 lbs.

    so a 4500 with a 10 ton trailer would work as well.

    for a matter of thought lets look at a 3500 and see how illegal everyone is in the state who does not have a CDL (including myself) and tows a lot of weight

    Chevy 3500 GVWR = 11,400
    Trailer GVWR = 10,000
    GCWR = 21,400

    3500 comes out legal without a CDL A as long as you dont tow an ounce over 10,000 lbs which isnt very much.

    ok thats enough for one post
  8. echovalley

    echovalley LawnSite Member
    from CT
    Messages: 91

    Yes I do have my Class A[best thing I did].I took the class in NH it was taught by a ex State Trooper,I don't believe he is still teaching.Your best bet is to hook-up with a tractor trailer school,let them know you have experience driving with trailers etc.They will usually let you take a shorter class and save you a few bucks.
  9. echovalley

    echovalley LawnSite Member
    from CT
    Messages: 91

    Just FYI its much harder to take the test using a dump and pintle hitch trailer[you have to line it up perfect to the pintle in one shot,you can't get out and check to see if its right on or not] instead of a tractor with a straight trailer.
  10. CutRight

    CutRight LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    i know this sounds ridiculous. (and to be honest it sounds ridiculous that they make you line up the hook and pintle in one shot...but i get the point) but do you think theyd allow a back up camera, seeing that some new dumps come stock with a back up camera? and I know you're probably not the one to be asking these questions. but this is all i have access to right now at 730 at night as i think of these things.

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