Ric I am a member of our local LMA and have been for several years. I posted this thread because I'm sick of hearing guys in my area complaining about lowballers, lack of respect, and stupid ordinances, but be totally unwilling to join in and try to change things. Take this BMP thing for example, if the ordinance was really meant to protect the environment, why not make everyone (including homeowners) take the class and get a certificate. Then make them present the certicicate when buying pesticides or fertilizers. Either educate them, or make them hire a licensed professional. That would add value to the professionals who have the certifications. Of course that would never happen. The homeowners would never stand for it, as they would come together (unlike those in our profession).