i been doing estimates. got a call yesterday from a prospect in a neighboring town. upscale area, but infested with guys doing great work, for below poverty level wages. i didn't get the job, but i did get the opportunity to meet a very, very nice, well spoken, respectable man. this guy, i'm telling you, was a real pleasure to talk to, i didn't want to leave. spent like half an hour just chatting about this and that, if he had any beer, i'd probly still be there. here was the property: corner lot, lots of trimming and edging, 10k of turf. i quoted $35 a week for mow service, $660 for fert program. he inquired about leaves. i told him i couldn't quote fall cleanup prices, on a property like that (lots of trees) at this time of year. he understood, but asked for a ballpark figure. i told him roughly $325 plus disposal(had to be hauled). he said the company last year, charged $225 for cleanup and disposal. they had 3 guys there, for 6 hrs, they cleaned the entire property and hauled it for $225. i laughed, and so did he. he said, i was much higher than the others. he explained he's been living there for 45 years, been through dozens of services, seen em all come and go. he said, "you know why you guys with your lawn services kill yourselves for nothing?" i said, "ummm, nope." he said , " BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL, A BUNCH OF STUPID, BRAINLESS, DUMMIES!!!!" he said he was, and still is in business for more than 50 years. and he has yet to meet a lawn guy that can run a business. he says finding a lawnman that is a true businessman, is like finding a needle in a haystack, but the "needle" still doesn't stand a chance, because his counterparts make sure he, and them will fail. he said his daughters husband ran a lawn service for 10 yrs. more like, it ran him. said he grossed a million a year, but spent more than that a year. he said after 10 years this kid was nearly beat to death from the work, and didn't have a nickle to his name. he hires "proffessional" services. they do a great job. then, they go under. and they do a great job, for alot cheaper than me. i have never had a client speak to me that way. he wasn't rude, or disrespectful, in fact, he was right to the point, and a real pleasure to talk to. all of you should have the chance to meet someone like him. definitely unique. i just had to share that with u guys.