Customer wants a new lawn - Help

Joana Williams

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
New York
The property is roughly 4k sqft of grass.

It is extremely patchy and has a lot of crabgrass.

The client has added sand in areas and thrown seed ontop trying to get grass to grow in July. Ive told them to watch until September/October and just let us do it correctly.

They currently do not have sprinklers so I am also trying to convince them to get them installed.

Is there any suggestions to get this done without breaking their wallets? I know they wont pay for a sod install.

Process:

Should we just mow it @ 1".
Dethatch / Aerate.
Add top soil to level some areas.
Cut out the areas where they added sand and then add top soil / compost mix
Overseed
Then apply a pre emergent in March next season?

Area: New York / Long Island

Prices will be helpful too!
 

Jeff@diyokc

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
Owasso, Oklahoma
First you need to get rid of the crabgrass, as a former New Yorker,(Norwich) I’m not sure what your allowed to use anymore!

I would topdress the entire lawn, overseed and use a roller to make sure the seed is secure! I’m assuming your seeding KBG, but it’s been awhile since I’ve lived in ny!

You and I know it needs to be watered,I’m not sure if the owners will do that on their own!

It seems from re reading your post, they are price sensitive or are unaware of the cost it takes to do this correctly! I can’t give you a price, have no idea of what your material cost is! You have more labor in this type of job, I’m not sure your clients understand this! Try to educate them on it, but if they are looking for cheap, I’d walk because they will make your life miserable with phone calls! Trust me, been down that road as a much younger landscaper!
 

hal

LawnSite Fanatic
Location
Georgia
Aerate the living "H" out of it, add organic soil, mushroom soil, manure or any good, rich soil. But do what Jeff said get rid of the crabgrass first.
 

Mudly

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
OH
A soil test would be your first step... everyone’s just guessing until then.
 

Hayduke

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
Oregon
New lawns are easy money, but not quick easy money. Lots of time and labor if you are doing it right. If the existing is more than 30% weeds, it probably needs a whole re-do, renovation will only be a slightly expensive temporary fix. If you are already worried about breaking their wallets and they are not interested in doing a re-sod or re-do of the soil and re-seed the right way, I'd walk away. People just don't understand that good grass isn't cheap.
 

brichter14

LawnSite Bronze Member
Its only 4000 sq feet. Mow it to 1” Hit it with roundup.

Rent a dingo with a harley rake and in two weeks grind it out and level it. Seed/fert/straw. Leave a spigot timer on two tripod sprinklers. This isnt rocket science. Its grass.
 

Mudly

LawnSite Senior Member
Location
OH
Its only 4000 sq feet. Mow it to 1” Hit it with roundup.

Rent a dingo with a harley rake and in two weeks grind it out and level it. Seed/fert/straw. Leave a spigot timer on two tripod sprinklers. This isnt rocket science. Its grass.
If you say so
 

RigglePLC

LawnSite Fanatic
Location
Grand Rapids MI
Joana,
I think you are on the right track. Correct the cause of the problem--is there a shade problem? Set up a battery-operated sprinkler timer first. Ignore the sand.
My suggestions:

And yes, cut very short. Add plenty of starter fertilizer. Apply more fertilizer at week 3 and 6.
Spread a top-quality perennial rye. Use 10 pounds of seed per thousand sqft--or more --because conditions are not ideal. Water for 20 minutes to wash the seed down to the soil level.
As you said, now use a dethatcher. Go over it twice to mix the seed and fert into the top half-inch of the soil. Leave the dead grass--it will have to act as mulch or straw. Water heavily.
Water every day for 30 days.
Hurry--do this while the soil temps are still warm. Daytime air temp highs of 80 are about right.
Apply crabgrass control and control the broadleafs in the spring.
Don't guarantee anything--no free callbacks. Read their water meter--so they cannot exaggerate how much water they used. At least, insist on seeing their water bill for the month.
 
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