Customers whom use Scot's Turf Builder Having Issues?

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by lego, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Advertising works, irrigation works, but the 7 Step Program gets all the credit... If that is what people want to waste their money on that is fine, but we're talking about wannabees that don't even imagine what that bag is doing to their turf in July... :)
  2. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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    Big brown areas sounds like grubs. Otherwise, it could be needs a good diagnosis.
    If you don't know the signs of insects, disease and dry grass--consult an expert.
  3. jbturf

    jbturf LawnSite Bronze Member
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    could be the properties turf was loaded with crabgrass this summer,
    and its now nosed dived and browning out, we have not had a killing frost in my area yet, but the crab is mostly all brown now,

    ive noticed driving around ALOT of lawns (none mine) loaded with dead crab and are ugly and browning now

    there was a good crop of crab here this year, attribute to late spring heavy rains

    not sure on your area, just a thought
  4. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
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    Not sure where you are in PA, but in my area of PA we had a VERY wet Summer.

    When I was able to get to them, I cut EVERY week from April through August.

    I should have added at least one more round of fertilization. And looking back, another round of Dimension for the bumper crop of crabgrass that was fed by the rain. This rain also leached out ALL crabgrass preventers and allowed breakthrough on ALL properties that only saw one application.

    Now, back to my point....Here is my theory....

    With everything raining and green right through July/August, I and many others opted out of applying a grub application. I saw no Japanese beetles at all this year!

    Well, somehow we have grubs now. It's pretty widespread. I think they were masked by the rains.

    Wet and cool all summer, then September came and went with almost NO rain and hot heat. I skipped cutting 3 weeks since Sept 1st!!!

    So we have a root system used to frequent light rains all summer, and then rain. Throw in grubs, and even cicada killer holes all over the place and you have HORRIBLE looking lawns!

    Sorry to ramble...but if any of this sounds familiar, I think my theory may be correct.
  5. lego

    lego LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 255

    Consult an expert? I know what the difference is, and I am diagnosing it. But all of the customers had one thing in common - Scott's step treatments and/or TruGreen/Lawn Doctor. Thus the title of the threat and the original question, 'Anyone else experiencing this?' Kick rocks.:walking:
  6. lego

    lego LawnSite Senior Member
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    I have the same weather here.
    Some of my lawns have grubs, but they look fine.
    I did check for grubs & the customer told me he applied a grub treatment. I honestly think he just put to much chemicals down trying to fix the problem and ended up making it worse.

    But ... being as I have been finding alot of grubs in various yards, your theory may be a good one.

    Speaking of grubs, did you see something on the news talking about they had some kind of disease? I missed it but heard about it.
  7. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
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    Japanese Beetles are no longer the dominant grub species in our area and therefore are not a good indicator of grub problems. Additional species include European chafer, oriental beetle, and asiatic garden beetle. High soil moisture in early July makes it easy for adult beetles to lay eggs & increases their survival rate.
  8. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
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    I was just saying in another thread how nice it would be if Extension Offices condemned the use of 'N' during certain times of the year when 'N' might actually causing damage... Like July,,, when the grass is semi-dormant from the heat or maybe completely dormant from drought...

    smallaxe, I have yet to see any publication from our Extension Offices that recommend applying N in July. Quite the contrary, their recommendation call for 2-3 fert apps annually, 2 in the fall and 1 in late spring.
  9. foreplease

    foreplease LawnSite Silver Member
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    I don't know what you put down in late August - Milorganite? - or at what rate, but I would like to see you hit it again with something. I remember you were talking about Milorganite at 1/2# N around the end of summer. Perhaps Ammonium Sulfate if the weather is cold. Better yet, something with a lot of potassium heading into winter. I amusing 22-0-22 fwiw. At 70% PPSCU it is more slow release than I would like but I only have one place left to do.

    It would be much easier to decide if we knew what the weather from mid-April to mid-May has in store for us huh?
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2013
  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    I would like to see them condemn heat of summer application... That is a big difference fromnot recommending... if this h.o. had heard the condemnation and saw consequences then maybe it would click and maybe it would be a focus for problems in the turf... plz note the difference...

    Grubs and fungus instead of drought... I've never had any real problems with either, but I see brown grass from lack of water all the time...and what kind of 'cides are in the 'turfbuilder'??? they probably quickened the demise as well...

    Perhaps if the heat of summer applications were actively condemned people might start to think about why these things happen... :)

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