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Well, we put six machines through the paces yesterday and I thought I'd share my opinions.

All were 60-61inch cut
Scag Turf Tiger---27hp Kohler
Ferris IS3000---27hp Kohler
Husqvarna XP6127---27hp Kohler
Everride Warrior---25hp Kawi
John Deer F687---23hp Kohler
Exmark Lazer---26hp Kohler EFI


No unit really performed poorly, these were all well designed pieces of equipment and each one had its good points, which I will try to list below.
 

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Cant wait! I want to see what you thought about the Ferris. What prices did you get?
 

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In the cut quality category---we ran each mower through 4in and 5-6in grass at about 10 mph (except JD---top speed was 8.5) and the best to worst results were...

Scag/Exmark/Husky---Pretty much equal

JD---as good as the top three but we were unable to test at 10mph

Ferris/Everride---not quite at the level of the others for cutting clean at 10mph---The Everride seems geared toward cutting tall/thick grass and has an extra tall discharge chute. The clippings discharged from this mower were a little longer than those discharged from the others.


Keep in mind that this is Pa and the grass we were cutting is still dormant

All mowers dispersed cut grass evenly while cutting thick 5inch+ grass down to 3inches or so.

The striping was good (given conditions) on all mowers.
 

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Control feel. These are not listed in any order---just noting the different feel of the hydros on each.

Exmark/Husqvarna---very quick and responsive, jerky at first but nice once you get used to it.

Everride---Quick and responsive but smoother than the first two. (overall the nicest to operate in my opinion)

Scag---less responsive and very smooth

Ferris---smooth forward and very responsive in reverse.

JD---nice and smooth, different than the others since it is a front mount mower.
 

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Deere Mower,
We put the demo together on a whim and did not know of a gravely dealer in this area---I wish I could've run a 260 with the hydraulic deck lift though. The exmark and John Deere actually were not demo pieces---they were owned by Joshua Tree Lawn Care/and Green Spaces of Pa, respectively.
 

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The hydro pumps were all made by Hydro-Gear(I think) and were all 10cc pumps except the Scag which ran 16cc pumps, and the Everride which I think ran 21cc pumps.

All had auxilliary oil coolers except the ferris which ran dual fans directly over the pumps (the Ferris rep said this was better than the others)

Deck drive was a shaft drive to Scag, Ferris, and JD decks
Direct belt to Husky and Everride
Mule drive belt to Exmark

Spindles were sealed, non-greasable on exmark and ferris
Greasable from the side on scag
Greasable from the top on JD and Husky
I don't remember seeing grease fitting on the Everride but I can't remember for sure.
 

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Flipperneck---I am testing the Ferris again when the grass greens up---but not because you told me to:cool:

My opinions on the cut quality are shared by both of the other LCO's that were there---all three of us are trying it again in green grass---all three of us feel it lacks suction---the deck design is very much like a scag advantage deck with the front baffle all the way up---the blades stick down further than the front of the deck by 1/4 in or more
 

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Lastech,
I bet there are a bunch of us in the philly/jersey/delaware triangle who would demo it---I am all out of uncut grass now

I wonder if the other sponsors would be willing to participate in a lawnsite sponsor expo of some sort---any members who come out can post honest reviews for those of us who are not in the same region.
 

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Why did you use the JD F687 instead of the JD 757? It doesn't look you are camparing apples to apples because the JD F687 is an outfront mower, not a mid-mount ZTR. The JD 757 is 60", 25 HP Kawi and mows at 10 mph as well. Just wanted to point that out. Ya can't compare a ZTR to a front mower with any accuracy.
 

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My opinion on each mower as a unit...

Ferris---I like the suspension on this mower, it really smooths out the smaller bumps and ridges.
The direct belt drive to the deck (sorry---I listed it as having a shaft drive earlier) is simple and reliable.
The hands free deck raise and lower system is nice but requires alot of force.
The deck idler pulleys are larger than the other manufacturer's and there are more of them.
With the lighter, air-cooled engine I feel that the unit could use a little more weight over the drive tires.
The high back seat looked a little funny but was very comfortable.
Fuel capacity is over 11 gallons
This machine looked very solid, felt pretty well, and cut pretty well---If I could alter it in any way I would make the front baffle on the deck adjustable, make the hydro levers easier to push, and make the spindles greaseable.
If the mower is in for repairs for over 24hrs the dealer is required to give you a free loaner until repairs are finished
Price I was quoted is $8200 cash before tax

Everride---Everything on this mower looked great to me.
The frame is of a 7gauge steel that is capable of flexing without breaking.
The front axle pivots and is linked to the deck.
A suspension seat is standard and takes enough shock out of bumps and ruts that I felt as comfortable as on the Ferris
12 gallons of fuel for all day mowing
This machine looks solid, feels great, and mows pretty well---I would only change the deck if I could. Price I was quoted is $8500 cash before tax

Scag---The new Scag sits the operator lower than before (compared to my '01)
After running the ferris and everride the stock seat was not acceptable---a suspension seat is an option though
The deck is a plus on this unit---the adjustable front baffle is a good thing.
The single tank under the seat only holds 10 gallons
The shaft drive to the deck is a good system in my opinion and the greasable spindles are a plus.
The foot deck lift requires less force than any of the others
Things I would change are---I would make it faster and make a suspension seat standard. I was quoted $8500 cash before tax with the optional suspension seat.

Husqvarna---The husky sits nice and low, like the scag, and also needs a suspension seat like the scag.
The control levers don't meet in the middle
I like that the grease points are dead center on the top of the spindles and the outside spindles can be greased through a small hole in the deck cover.
Over 11 gallons of fuel capacity
If the mower is in for repairs for 24hrs or more the dealer is required by husky to give you a free loaner until repairs are finished
Things I would change are---suspension seat standard, slightly faster speed, and I would get rid of the "official lawn care equipment of nascar" decal.
 

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Originally posted by ******
Why did you use the JD F687 instead of the JD 757? It doesn't look you are camparing apples to apples because the JD F687 is an outfront mower, not a mid-mount ZTR. The JD 757 is 60", 25 HP Kawi and mows at 10 mph as well. Just wanted to point that out. Ya can't compare a ZTR to a front mower with any accuracy.
******---the F687 belongs to another landscaper, he picked it up from the shop on the way over to the demo site and we took it off the trailer to see what kind of cut the JD 7iron deck leaves. I was not trying to make any offensive comments about the F687 and apologize for putting it on the top speed list where it wound up on the bottom---I did make positive comments about the deck, though:angel:

By the way---this guy just purchased a 757 and it was in but not assembled as of our demo date.
 

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Very good unbias comparisons, when in the buying market posts like yours are extremely useful! Thanks!

If the chance comes your way to try the new Toro, be worth a demo, these are totally new! Lovin mine, I primarily mulch and these things are great, I'm changing the deck over tomorrow to do my 2nd batch of side discharge work, these things can really spray the clippings out, I mean really!

Wander if Toro wants another field rep, hmmmmm? LOL!

Only thing I dislike is the "largish" job to change deck over from mulch to side discharge, still getting used to working under a deck, not infront of it like my front mount I just traded that lifted the deck straight up. Keep knockin' my beer over workin' on my back! ha, ha.
 
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