This is my third year and I would really like to get some larger jobs under my belt. I have talked to a landscape designer that would be able to come up with plans for my client based on my ideas. Here's my question:do you guys give designs with a bid, or bid first then get a design. It seems to me a waste of money to pay a designer then not get the job. But my designs on my software(i have visio 5.0, ep henry 3d, and some generic home landscaping program) only go so far and are not up to snuff for some large jobs. Any suggestions? I am thinking of getting Landscape Pro.