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Do you think this mass exodus of jobs leaving the automotive sector and related, will have a little or substantial effect upon our business? It's getting terrible over at the big 3. They're making cuts each and every month, little by little so none go noticed. Many in the auto design sector. Lear corp shut down a plant in Auburn Hills, and JCI shut one down in Grand Rapids, I think. This is becoming a nightmare as the middle class continues to shrink around here. I know people that can't find work, have been off for over a year, and have run out of money and unemployment. It's unfortunate.

But, do you think we will see much less call for our services?
 

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Originally posted by Leone LawnCare
i think that a lot of those guys that cant find jobs will start lawn services which will hurt us.

I think that the economy will go up as we near a new president
Oh boy your opening a can of worms...
 

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To elaborate, things were much worse off economy wise a few years ago right after the 9-11 attacks. Personally, I didn't experience any sort of slow down of business then. I think that maybe out of work people would try to get into the business, but are going to face the same problems that any newbies or scrubs face at startup. My worry would be the affect on pricing with all the newbies, but when you consider most small businesses fail, and most people would drop the venture if offered a full time job again, the long term impact wouldn't be that great. But as I said before, really I dunno.

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Seriously when is it going to stop, its getting old. How is it that when someone loses a account its to a scrub or a lowballer. Just because they don't have perfect uniforms or brand new equipment they're a scrub; or if they bid lower than you they cut your throat? How is that possible, because i'm pretty positive we all started out like that or somehwere along those lines. Not to mention how can you say there cutting your throat, seriously; they might have an overhead 1/3 yours and might bring in my profit than you. I can go on and on about this but i won't there's no need.

How bout everyone starts a new trend, this will be something new for most of you. How bout instead od complaining and feeling sorry, everyone thinks and discusses ways on making there company more productive, more profitable, more quality, ect ect ect.
 

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I'm a retired autoworker (GM) from southeast Michigan, and I know exactly how you feel. I worked for the General for 32 years and retired in 02. During those years I experienced a lot of layoffs and hard economic times.
But don't lose confidence. The Michigan economy is very resilient and will bounce back ( as soon as we lose Dubya ) and good times will roll again.

GO BLUE!!!
 

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Originally posted by joshua
Seriously when is it going to stop, its getting old. How is it that when someone loses a account its to a scrub or a lowballer. Just because they don't have perfect uniforms or brand new equipment they're a scrub; or if they bid lower than you they cut your throat? How is that possible, because i'm pretty positive we all started out like that or somehwere along those lines. Not to mention how can you say there cutting your throat, seriously; they might have an overhead 1/3 yours and might bring in my profit than you. I can go on and on about this but i won't there's no need.

How bout everyone starts a new trend, this will be something new for most of you. How bout instead od complaining and feeling sorry, everyone thinks and discusses ways on making there company more productive, more profitable, more quality, ect ect ect.
Who's complaining about scrubs here? I thought we were talking about laid off workers starting lcos, and the affect of local layoffs on the economy in Michigan. Just because newbies and scrubs were mentioned doesn't mean we are complaining about them. I think it's a fact that many newbies and scrubs don't charge enough at first, and that it's a real concern to those of us who would like to earn an appropriate wage for the work we do. Especially those of us who are legit.
 

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I probably should of started a new thread for this but i thought this one would be ok to put it in. Now on to what you said; if people spent more time on focusing there energy on there company and improving there stratigies they wouldn't have to worry bout losing customers to someone with a lower price.( I don't see many americans complaining about dell computers being the cheapest out there. ) Face it we're in the service industry that is just coming out of a ression, everyone is watching there bottom line, weather its commercial, industrial, or residential accounts. If everyone was focused on higher quailty and improving there business they wouldn't have to worry about losing customers. Anyways if and i do mean if you were to lose a customer to a scrub or lowerballer they aren't the type of customer you really want. I remember when i first signed up on this site, there were actually topics worth reading with substence. But then again we truely are in the age of not doing anything for ourselfs and not hitting the search buttom before asking a question thats been asked 10 times a month. Then again thats probably why you don't see most of the members post much that were members 2 and 3 years ago. Sorry i just had to get this off my chest.
 

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A NEW PRESIDENT WONT FIX ANYTHING. If anyone in here thinks SCary Kerry can do anything better than bush, they are friggin stupid.

There are a lot of layoffs around this area. ITS THE DAMN UNIONS! Stuborn ass unions are causing Americas middle class to dissolve. THEY are the reason jobs are shutting down, especially here in Detroit, and being sent to the chinese kids. My dad was almost fired for arguing the same point.


Not much along the lawn care topic, but if someone is going to get me started on either politics or unions, i would fight it to the death. MY $.,02
 

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Generally I agree with you about focusing on your own business. And usually scrubs don't bother me, I don't want price shoppers or cheap skates. BUT, if everyone and their brother who has been laid off gets into lawn care, there will be a glut of supply for our services. And when supply is greater than demand, the price people are willing to pay for services goes down. Scrubs and newbies generally don't get it right when it comes to prices. I know I didn't, I charged too little my first few years. But my prices and rates have come up to a range where I can make a living and pay my expenses. If there are too many people giving lower prices for services, the average customer's expectations will go down and so will the ability to charge a proper rate. There are still many people who don't understand why lawn care rates and prices are what they are, people who still expect someone to show up and cut the grass for $5. LCOs who have been in business a while know their expenses, know what rates they need to charge, and know the value of an educated public which will choose a legit lco over Johnny Weekend Lawn Care, and aren't expecting cheap rates. If everyone operating knew and valued that rates wouldn't be a problem.

And keep in mind, I'm not talking about day to day conditions as they are now. I'm talking conditions in Michigan, as more people get laid off, and more newbies start up in the business to make a quick buck. That might not even happen. Personally, I could care less about what scrubs and newbies charge. I don't expect any problems getting my rates and prices and having enough business.

Besides which, as I stated before, we weren't slamming on scrubs or newbies. I've posted the same stuff you just did in other threads. We were speculating on Michigan's economy. I see far worse complaining outta people about how a scrub stole my business, a scrub is charging $10 a lawn flat rate, etc etc every day. I ignore those threads as well, because they never go away and it's an ongoing thing here. I don't see this thread as a particularly bad scrub whining/bashing thread.
 

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i am just wondering how someone can offer lawn service for $10.00 a week. If you had 100 accounts thats $1,000 a week to do that many you will have to hire some say $8.00 hr at 40 hrs your at $320.00 that leaves you $680.00 now take 25% for taxes. that leaves you $510.00 now take est $100.00 week for gas. Now you are at $410.00 a week. Well then you have to allow for mait, and repairs and to pay the phone bill and your advertising oh yeah dont forget insurance and if you have some one working for you you have to pay workers comp. so all said and done you might make $100. a week and i know for a fact that i cant live on $100 a week, i spend that in dipers alone. So i understand were you guys are coming from, afraid the new guys are going to ruin it for you older guys. Well Im a "newbie" but I have been around enough and i have gone to school and i know how to run a business So dont worry about this "newbie" lowballing, because im in it for the long run and i want to make money just like everyone else. thanks for reading thats my 4 1/2 cents
 

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Back in the 80's when the big 3 was hit hard the laid off workers set out to mow lawns. No big deal, it just created competition. So now it's 2004 and if they set out to do the same thing, let them. When they go looking for work or knocking on doors do you think your current clients will just quit you and go with someone else. No! Concentrate on your clients you have now. Provide quality work in a timely fashion and you have nothing to worry about.

I'm 3rd generation in this business and have heard it all. You win some and lose some.

If there wasn't competition then there would be nothing to talk about. Even if there scrubs or lowballers.
 

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Originally posted by Trevors Lawn Care
A NEW PRESIDENT WONT FIX ANYTHING. If anyone in here thinks SCary Kerry can do anything better than bush, they are friggin stupid.

There are a lot of layoffs around this area. ITS THE DAMN UNIONS! Stuborn ass unions are causing Americas middle class to dissolve. THEY are the reason jobs are shutting down, especially here in Detroit, and being sent to the chinese kids. My dad was almost fired for arguing the same point.

Not much along the lawn care topic, but if someone is going to get me started on either politics or unions, i would fight it to the death. MY $.,02
18 years old and you already know everything about everything. Your ears are still wet!
I've already FORGOT more about unions and politics than you'll ever learn.

Grow-up and come back in 25 years when you've learned a few things about Michigan's economy and life in general.
 

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Trevor, you might want to try discussing unions with some of your customers. I would bet quite a few of them work union jobs. I worked in Michigan for two years and still deal with Americans every day. My experience is never dish unions and never dish them about the Red Wings no matter how bad they play basketball.
 
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