Yes, and I mean HATE HATE HATE. This one and a half we are doing were because we were slow. And I think I would rather be slow or have no work than do an install again. My hands and wrists are screwed up from doing installs in the past, and these 2 are killing me right now. Plus the noise from the puller, pulling through tree roots, actually having to use a shovel for more than an hour. Yeah, I've become a wuss over the years. I'd rather repair and service any day.