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First, if you haven't been to this thread, go read it now.

The text and some code from my website, which I created in Jan of 2002 by hand from scratch from the ground up, has been copied by another member and posted on his website. Most of the copied text is word for word, with his name inserted instead of mine.

To learn more about copyright law and the internet, check out this page on a friend of mine's web hosting company's page.
The moment something is conceived and published in any manner, it is protected under the Berne Copyright Convention
This means the minute I published my works on my site in Jan 2002, I retained the copyright for that work. Last month I had a similar issue with my Halloween Website, which prompted me to file for copyright with the copyright office for both my websites. That gives me the right to litigate, and litigate I will if MY CONTENT is not removed from that site. To the tune of $100,000 per page.

I have posted a link to my website on this board for others to see how I do business. If someone can take a few tips, gain some info on how to do whateva, or get inspiration, great. I have taken time to answer people's questions and offer advice when asked. However, I did not give permission for wholesale copying of my site, and I did not intend to distribute website templates for free. I spent many hours creating that website, and I am not just going to roll over and let people pirate my material.

I am disappointed that a fellow Lawnsite member has done this. I thought we had a good bunch of people here willing to help each other out. While I believe most of that is true, it's obvious that some people are just out to cheat and get by illegally.

I apologize if this does not belong in this forum, but I wanted to bring it to EVERYONE's attention, and I didn't think this problem was getting the exposure necessary in the Website forum
 

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Its too bad to see this happen but regardless the industry you're in, people will pull wording from well laid out web sites to use in their own. Happens all the time. It is a little ballsy to use it word for word though.

Just be happy that the guy is in AL and not right here in Ann Arbor.
 

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MtD....

1)if this ever happened to me i would take it more as a complement and settle the Copyright out of court. And if he doesn't remove his stolen material off his website i would't sweat it. We all know that taking the easy way out in life gets you nothing in return and will only hurt you in the long run.. This guy is going to be out of business before you can take him to court anyway.

2)Now i'm going to use some constructive criticism and say that I would rather see a more professional looking web page from a guy that is going anal over a small copyright dispute. I think your menu bar is a ugly color and your buttons need to be a different shape.

I think a whole renovation of your website is in order. I would be sick of my website after a year or so.

Anyways I hope you dont take offense to this post.. I have learned a few helpful hints that have made my start up a breeze.

Thanks, P&P LawnCare*LandScape
 

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MtD...

As i'm going through your site i saw a page that you update close to weekly that updates your customers on why you didnt mow because it rained and bla bla bla. I love that idea! Now i just have to steel your webpage and call it mine. :p

Mitch, P&P LawnCare*LandScape
 

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Originally posted by mrbenfer
MtD...

As i'm going through your site i saw a page that you update close to weekly that updates your customers on why you didnt mow because it rained and bla bla bla. I love that idea! Now i just have to steel your webpage and call it mine. :p

Mitch, P&P LawnCare*LandScape
Just make sure you change the colors and buttons so it's not as ugly as mine.

:D
 

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Yes he stole the text! But as for the look...well if your gonna use front page templates I will guarantee you there are 2000 sites that look very similar. Plus this guy is 600 miles away from you. I would only waste my time in the same market.

Is it right he stole your text?...NO Should you waste you time worrying? NO

Move on.
 

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I'll tell you ONE thing, - it sure is a nice site! I wish I had the know-how to do that.
 

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Runner.. There isnt much know-how involved. If you go out and buy Microsoft Front Page you can make simple webpages with little no-how. Only when you get into moving images and sweet gfx do you need some know-how.

Front page is very simple to learn. If your really interested in webpage design you should check the software out.
 

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As a webmaster myself: www.garyfd2.com , I can totally feel your pain. I have spent probably a hundred hours to get mine where I am getting happy with it. I don't know if your site was made using templates or if you slaved in the HTML & DHTML languages as I did, but it's not easy to create a webpage. It's not easy to come up with the wording on your page, either. You want things to sound professional and be informative to the customer, and that takes a lot of time and planning.

The stolen goat site appears to be designed by Web City Design and Hosting, what do they have to say for themselves?

I am really sorry to hear that people on this forum would do a thing like this. Please let us know if you ever get this matter resolved.

Amanda
 

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Another thought, it this Wobblez still an active member on this forum?
 

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first of all this seem allot like mtdmaster is flaming me on this site.
with that said I guess I need to tell my side of the story.
mtdmaster seems like a great guy in this post but you should see some of the e-mails he has sent me and the phone call i got from him today.
I got 5 mails from him
one PM on this site
one post on this site
then a phone call from him.
onto which as he is going on about how I owe him $100,000 per page. I tell him that I just started building this site and was not finished with it and when I was it would not look or sound anything like he's.
since that phone call he has emailed me 7 more time and posted this post flaming me.
Now before everyone jumps on his wagon and heads to my house with flaming torches to hang me by my toro's we all know that with any ideal be it website, business plan or what ever. We all start with a foundation and build from that and at the end it looks or sounds nothing like the foundation onto which it was built on.
now I started building this site 3 days ago and it is nowhere near done and yes i use MS frontpage and publish right to the sever and do not ftp any of it. I have not even started advertising this site. by the way mtdmaster thanks for all the free advertising if any of yall need any lawn care give me a call. LOL

With all that said I think mtdmaster has too many dollar signs in he's eyes to see how minor this is and it is people like this that have our insurance and just about every thing else sky high with all this bogus lawsuits just to make a quick buck. If he put this much energy, time and effort into his lawn care business he would be a millionaire by now.
 

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Originally posted by wobblez
first of all this seem allot like mtdmaster is flaming me on this site.
with that said I guess I need to tell my side of the story.
mtdmaster seems like a great guy in this post but you should see some of the e-mails he has sent me and the phone call i got from him today.
I got 5 mails from him
one PM on this site
one post on this site
then a phone call from him.
onto which as he is going on about how I owe him $100,000 per page. I tell him that I just started building this site and was not finished with it and when I was it would not look or sound anything like he's.
since that phone call he has emailed me 7 more time and posted this post flaming me.
Now before everyone jumps on his wagon and heads to my house with flaming torches to hang me by my toro's we all know that with any ideal be it website, business plan or what ever. We all start with a foundation and build from that and at the end it looks or sounds nothing like the foundation onto which it was built on.
now I started building this site 3 days ago and it is nowhere near done and yes i use MS frontpage and publish right to the sever and do not ftp any of it. I have not even started advertising this site. by the way mtdmaster thanks for all the free advertising if any of yall need any lawn care give me a call. LOL

With all that said I think mtdmaster has too many dollar signs in he's eyes to see how minor this is and it is people like this that have our insurance and just about every thing else sky high with all this bogus lawsuits just to make a quick buck. If he put this much energy, time and effort into his lawn care business he would be a millionaire by now.
Wobblez - if you are building a site - then build your own using your own material. No site should start by copying material (text, graphical or code) from any other site. That is simply wrong, and quite frankly, against the law. If it were my material that had been stolen, I would begin proceedings for a recompensory suit on Monday. It would not be a bogus lawsuit, and also would not have a doggone thing to do with why insurance is so high.

As far as MTDmaster being a bit zealous over protecting his work - I can understand that, too. He's ticked off. Your cut about him putting that much energy, time and effort into his business is unfair - but we can all see that if YOU would put that much energy, time and effort into your OWN web site, you would not be in this situation.

I am a designer and have been long before my short lawn care career began or ended. Web services is what I'll continue to do. Copyright protection is something that I believe quite strongly in - just like most of you believe strongly in certain business ethics in the lawn care and landscape business, or you should.
 

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wobblez,
You know you did it, just admit it! I guess what your saying is that I could write a book by copying another author just as long as I change it later? :confused:
Uh...... No I don't think so. What you did is against the law. If you had done that to me I think you wouldn't be getting a call from me but you could count on one from my lawyer.
 
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