Do Paver Manufacturers Spawn Incompetent?

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by DVS Hardscaper, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. knox gsl

    knox gsl LawnSite Fanatic
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    I hated those things, always beeping in when trying to talk to a customer.
  2. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Well, not so much new trucks or equipment every years.

    What vanderkoi preaches is correct, but the hardscape market does not enable the contractor to properly recover costs.

    For patio construction I can not factor in every gallon of fuel consumed for that job. I can not factor in the cost of equipment expenses (parts, repairs, and costs of purchasing equipment). If I were to factor in every penny affiliated with the job (which I should), I would not get the job.

    And this is exactly what the title of this thread is about!

    You can't properly price a job because this hardscape industry is EASY START-UP! And it's the paver manufacturers ARE spawning the EASY START-UP.

    Paver Pete has always said that Techo wants the best contractors. only the best. end of story. Period. gotta go. But....his showcases have told me otherwise. 30-40 minutes spent on door hangers. 1 hr spent on job costing. 40 minutes spent on image. All components that of business that veterans have mastered, veterans are the one's that Techo wants on their team, but that's not who Techo is talking to at the showcases!!! And it's not just Paver Pete, it's all the manufacturers. They are spawning the low ballers! They are spawning everything that vanderkoi is against.

    Am I the only one that see's this?? Of course I am, I'm the only one with a brain here! And I don't even have glasses yet! Just imagine how much smarter I'm gonna be when I get glasses!

    With the type of excavating work we do - I DO factor in fuel expenses. I DO factor in equipment costs. I DO factor in toll road expenses. I am able to factor in everything that vanderkoi preaches. Hardscaping - no way no how. Not happening. bye bye.
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2014
  3. neighborguy

    neighborguy LawnSite Member
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    I think the argument could also be made that the seminars are there to help the guy that is on the cusp of getting big. I realize that there are a lot of guys on here that have been doing this the right way a long time. They have struggled at some point, learned a lesson, gotten better and now don't need the advice given at the seminar.

    There are also the little guy that is on the verge of a second crew that may need a little encouragement from one of the seminars to help him get a little bigger/better.

    I have been going to all the seminars in the area for years; not necessarily to learn how to put in a patio (been doing that for 15 years) but to pick up that one little bit of information that might help me sway a customer to upgrade or install the lights that were on option. You get out of the seminars what you want. (this is not a shot at anyone) If you know it all, stop going. Let the newbie go to get what he needs. I think the lowballers have no interest in learning the right way.
  4. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    Nothing wrong with seminars, you take what you can from it and move on. I actually love going to them, not that I take many in, but its a great meeting place for alot of bored and cold hardscapers.
  5. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    seminars are one thing. (I think some are misinterpreting)

    The content of the seminars are another.......

  6. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
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    This will be my third year going to Cambridges. They never once told us how to market, job cost, or lay brick. Its strictly intrudcing changes to the product line, new stuff, catch up with the product reps etc. i love it, makes me learn the stuff that other dont(if you pay attention and stay off the nextel)

    Im trying to go to nicolock to see tom G this year but i dont think the weather will cooperate. Unilock is hosting theres at the same time, real smart. Never been to either of theire before though so i cant comment.
  7. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    nicolock's schedule of events does look like the most appealing that I've seen yet this year
  8. jmkr02

    jmkr02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    They tend to be commercials to buy product. Once I took my guys to one, big mistake they liked lunch, but thought it was a waste of their time. They were picking out the flaws in the presentation but then it became a issue in critiquing the people soaking up the bs. One of the presenters asked what have you done with the product and it was substantialy more involved then the intallion process that they were pitching.
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  9. jmkr02

    jmkr02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    I will admit one paver company did do one good seminar they provided a NCMA SRW course, and another a good course in paver maintenance. Later I heard the manufacturer was upset because it didn't directly spawn sales! The real problem was the manufacturer representative's made and continue to make is corporate makes promises that the local can not deliver. What was this thread about oh yeah the first seminar was a dozen contractors in their shop now it's an arena with a few hundred excited to get a package of door hangers and chance to win a ipad. I guess it helps sell the product through exposure then after all of the spawned sales people the authorized Contractor sells the install. It's good and bad.
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  10. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
    from NY
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    Lol this is a funny thread. I'm glad pavers are not a popular thing around here at all. I went to one of the seminars once.... Yeah it was bad.

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