Does cheap mexican labor help or hurt an economy?

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  1. AllAmericanlawn

    AllAmericanlawn LawnSite Senior Member
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    BINGO!!!! You said it perfectly!
  2. tallrick

    tallrick LawnSite Senior Member
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    Never forget the true reason that illegals have brought down the nation. The financialization of our economy funnels more and more money to the unproductive, leaving small business to fight over the scraps. The Federal Reserve creates trillions of funny money to give free loans to their rich banker buddies. Have you ever stopped to think of where most of your income goes? Not on toys but to the unproductive fat cats. The FIRE economy, (Finance Insurance Real Estate ) produces nothing but acts as a toll collector on the economic highway. Your income taxes go to finance wars and pay interest for the fat cats, and everything you buy on payments does the same. Over 70% of most incomes pay taxes and mortages, car payments, credit cards etc. This goes largely to pay multi=million or billon dollar salaries for the unproductive. Government regulations hinder legal businesses so illegal immigrants gladly take the work instead. Their own countries have been suffering income disparity from the parasite class, the elite who own all the capital and use peasants to do the work. The peasants rarely revolt because they are uneducated and superstitious.

    To get rid of the illegals make it easier for law abiding citizens to start and run businesses and make it impossible for those born to illegals to become automatic citizens. When the illegals intersect with the system (school, hospitals, traffic stops) send them back home. No welfare, benefits or other entitlements unless you are a LEGAL resident. But this can only happen if we take back government from the lawyers and cut the strings from finance that control them. To do that end the Fed.
  3. kilgoja

    kilgoja LawnSite Senior Member
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    this country treats it's visitors better than the people that were born here...every other country in the world treats their own people better and shuns visitors.....try going to another country and asking for free education or college or asking to get put on welfare...rofl...they'd probably shoot you and think nothing of it
  4. PremierT&L

    PremierT&L LawnSite Member
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    The US does not give free education to illegals or give them any government assistance. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
  5. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Gold Member
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    Our country has always depended on foreign labor to do the dirty work. It was Irish or eastern Europeans doing the hard jobs in the early days. I’m down in Texas where it can be about 100F 4-5 months out of the year. Unless your crew is from fantasyland it will not be made up of pale skinned folks down here or in most southern areas. Who in the hell would want to bust their azz in the heat when they can get an AC job else where? Here if you hire an American they are on parole, probation, or they will work a week and disappear. I’ve had over 200 Americans work for me with no luck.

    I spent $4000 to do the work visa thing four seasons ago but that was the year the visa program went to hell and lots of people got no workers. I hired two temporary guys from Guatemala to help out when I didn’t get my visa guys. Four seasons later I have the same guys and couldn’t be happier. My guys all pay taxes just like I do. Are their credential legit? All I’m going to say is I have copies of documents that look good enough for me.

    If you use someone else’s Social Security number you will get a letter in the mail but if the number is faux you will likely never get a letter. The SSA is collecting tons of money from people who will never see a cent of it and they know it. The way most companies get in trouble with immigration (ICC) is by abusing workers and not treating them fairly. If you do your workers right you’ll likely never have any issues from the gov.

    You can’t run a crew of Americans because it’s a constant revolving door of people coming and going that kills quality control. The houses you live in, the food you eat, and a whole lot more would not be feasible without foreign labor. If anyone thinks the United States could get where it is today without foreign labor your very naive. I’m originally from Maine and even way the hell up in northern Maine they need foreign labor to help with the potato crop. The green industry, hotels, construction, agriculture, and a whole lot more would come grinding to a halt if you had to depend on Americans to do the job.
  6. Patriot Services

    Patriot Services LawnSite Fanatic
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    BULLPUCKEY! Any illegal can register their child at any public school. The only requirement is proof of immunizations. Which, you guessed it, are available free of charge at any public health clinic. My biggest complaint with illegals is the fact that most of the money they earn here is sent out of the country never to be seen again. They live 10 to a one bedroom trailer and don't spend squat on the local economy.:usflag:
  7. Turf Commando

    Turf Commando LawnSite Bronze Member
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    For sure.. seen it quite interesting how they all fit..!!!
  8. sdk1959

    sdk1959 LawnSite Senior Member
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    It has everything to do with the exchange rate. Why some people really think the Mexicans work that cheap have thier head in the ground. One dollar is about 12-13 Peso's which is worth about $5.00. A $250,000 home here is $50,000 in Mexico, and NOT in some slum area either.

    The Mexicans can do it that cheap because every dollar earned here and sent back home to Mexico can buy $5.00. So that $600.00 is really worth $3000.00 to them. Why do you think they pay smugglers big $$ or cross deserts to work here? Because if they were paid $12.00hr it's really like $60.00hr when that money is sent home and exchanged for Peso's.

    Outsourcing work to foreign countries only benefits the company that does it.
    Just read where GE paid no income taxes this year and got billions in tax subsidies for next year and they are a huge outsource of work and jobs.

    As Americans become more and more selfish with every passing year with the attitude that unless they are affected by something directly they have no concern even though something will affect them indirectly and in the future directly. Other countries protect their jobs, not America, we open the floodgates and wonder why our standard of living drops lower and lower. Oh but we saved money on shoddy goods and put millions of Americans out of work, pay more on all taxes to carry those who lost their good paying jobs, more for gas and oil as China ramps up and guzzle more oil, more on education tuition as the millions who lost their jobs and their children go to college so they can get a decent paying job.

    Only ones laughing all the way to the banks are the corporations that outsource. And we believe their propaganda that it's good for Americans
  9. bmac1996acc

    bmac1996acc LawnSite Member
    from in GA
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    I think Mexicans need to take on the mentality of Americans. If they did, they wouldn't have to come here to work and Mexico would be in much better shape. Personally I don't want this country to be like Mexico, where the average worker makes just $115 a month.

    So the successful should model themselves after the unsuccessful? :confused:
  10. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Gold Member
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    That .99 cent head of lettuce at the grocery store going to cost you $20 if the foreign labor is gone. Your $150K house is going to go up by $20K to construct are you ready for that? Many business's would simply have to close down and move operations to Mexico because there are many jobs that you just can't get Americans to do any any price. You have no idea how much of our world revolves around our need for reliable laborers that do not exist here legally.

    I'm willing to bet that the majority of the people that think foreign labor is a problem are one person companies that do not have to rely on other Foreman and crew members to do the job. Anyone who runs crews from the office knows the mere idea of ever having a reliable crew of Americans is laughable.

    As long as there have been Americans there has been a foreign labor here doing the dirty work. Before it was the Irish or eastern Europeans. Do a little research on the history of American labor since the industrial revolution and you will find our country was pretty much built on foreign labor since day one.
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