I think they have had a part in ruining it for contractors (sides the guys lowballing). Not that i am struggling right now, i am however sick of HO's wanting 60k landscapes for 10k. I just had it happen again. Hgtv makes it look so cheap but they never add in all the costs associated with the landscape. When will people wake up and realize this isnt one big game of lets make a deal. No wonder why you have to bump your prices up, just to come down to make them feel like they got a deal....its getting old!