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Does Scrub = Free Market?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by DSIM, Oct 24, 2004.

  1. DSIM

    DSIM LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 440

    There is so much hatred on here for Scrubs and I got to thinking that it may be because of the unfair advantage that a person with very little overhead could make an immediate profit on his business.
    There is a socialist plot to get rid of free market. Big corparations keep merging and companies keep having to go through rigerous certifications ( ISO 9000-900? international standards) just to stay afloat and others that cant, eventually shut down.
    Do you ever see people who sell on the side of the road? Well the socialist/commies would love to arrest them and make this practice illegal.
    Free Market is part of being a free nation but a socailist democracy is taking over and it seems that its making diciples of many on this site.
    Do you want to be so licensed and certified that you have to pay fees to wipe your nose to stay in business?? I dont! I dont want to pay the government or anybody else any of the income I make in any business. Granted I collect sales tax and pay this quarterly. I pay a heavy income tax. I dont want the enviro whackos to tell me I have to pay to keep a license yearly in order to do my line of work whether its mowing or trimming or fertilizing. Right now I'm perfectly legal and legit and always have been but there may come a day when I'm told I cant use this chemical or fert because I'm not licensed to do so and thats when I will have to draw a line.
    Its a blessing to own your own business. I dont believe in cheating the system but I do want a fair system and if we all give into the lawmakers and strive for more regulations of our business then one day you too may be the one whos operating outside the law.
  2. oneandonlyjojo

    oneandonlyjojo LawnSite Member
    from NY
    Messages: 125

    i feel most people who are "scrubs" are all solo or maybe 2 people. the legit people here say they spend $300 or some ridiculous low price. they dont collect tax so they dont pay it. if they started collecting none would be in there pockets it would go to govt .the over head is not that much diff. how often do u see large companies being off the books.

    HOOLIE LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,981

    I don't think too many of us want more government regulation of our businesses. What we object to is guys who intentionally charge under the market rate because they do this "off the books".

    It should be a free market, IMO. If somebody finds a way to be "legit" and also charge a little less, that's the way it goes.
  4. oneandonlyjojo

    oneandonlyjojo LawnSite Member
    from NY
    Messages: 125

    i feel bad for all u people with problems the companies around here all charge the same range legit or not. thats probably why i have a diff view than some of u people who have grimey companies charginf $15 a house
  5. clay duncan

    clay duncan LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 445

    the only real problem with scrubs as far as i am concerned is that they keep the prices down. a scrub cannot compete with me as far as time or quality of work. usually a scrub is only in business for a very short period of time. example: someone will go with the cheap guy only because of price. the customer becomes tired of the no shows and poor quality of work and calls someone else that their neighbor recomends. you quote them a price of 45.00 and then the customer says "but i was only paying 20.00 ". most people including alot of LCO'S dont have a clue of ther true costs. they think $100.=$100.. i have learned to choose my customers not let them choose me. i am after the customer that wants everthing on their property perfect at all times. no scrub will ever be able to take anything from me because sooner or later even a scrub figures out that after buying equipment. driving to the job and working just isnt worth $20.00.......
  6. pfifla1

    pfifla1 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 45

    i choose to work by myself, for one its easier to manage things for me, and dont have to worry about those lazy workers that dont show up. i do hire laborers for jobs though.. but i am not a scrub, i pay the same taxes as anyone else, and i have found, that what goes around comes around, those people charging 15$ a a yard genearlly dont stick around long, i have a fairly stable client base and charge the going rates..
  7. out4now

    out4now LawnSite Bronze Member
    from AZ
    Messages: 1,796

    If it were trully a free market there would still be guys doing a halfA$$ed job so scrubs would still exist because like said they want quick dollars not professionalism. I'm not really ok with the idea of some unlicesned guy buying Dursban, Diazanon or other chems lthat can't read and eposes people to carcinogens that can drift or get in the water table. I think some regs should remain.
  8. tinman

    tinman LawnSite Bronze Member
    from ga
    Messages: 1,346

    The only problem with the people charging $15 per yard & not sticking around long is that there are more "scrubs" lined up to take their place.
  9. midtnstone

    midtnstone LawnSite Member
    from mid tn
    Messages: 76

    i agree with all of you but your so called scrub is in just about every business that you can think of. what a legit person that is trying to make something of his business instead of beer money is stop thinking about them and worry about yourself. like you all just said most time they doney last long, before they are doing something else. but i do get sick and tired of every time i turn around the gov. is wanting money for something else. for example i got the idea that i would start selling some plants, well guess what to get a license to do this it cost $200.00 plus state checks on my site because i live in a fire ant area. it takes alot of plants to ever make back the money in license not to mention everything else. sorry for the long post
  10. DSIM

    DSIM LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 440

    I think a scrub is someone who jumps into a business without much knowledge of how that business should be run. They just lack education and some people get their education in school and others get it by experiance.
    I was fortunate enough to have a friend who has a successful business, and I worked with him for a while and saw how things were done.
    Here is wisdom, these people called scrubs, are not much of a threat to us because of their lack of professionalism or lack of ability. If customers want to hire them then let them make that mistake!
    If these scrubs were to spend 6 months on LS and gained in knowledge and applied that to their business THEN they would become more of a threat competition wise.
    So when I see a beatup car going down the road with a lawnmower sticking out the trunk along with a trimmer and broom, I just laugh and go on. Maybe one day they will make it big time, who knows? :rolleyes:

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