I don't get how you could invest so much in your business. 500,000; 750,000; 1.6m? This is the "commercial lawn mowing forum" isn't it? Landscaping maybe. But even huge excavators and backhoes rarely clear 100k, or am I wrong? I'll be liberal and say that a very stacked lawn mowing crew would have about $30,000 (two blowers 1k, three trimmers 1k, 2 big Z's 18k, one big wb 5k, one small wb 3k) tops in new equipment/trimmers/blowers/gas cans/you name it. A huge open trailer runs under $2000. I don't get these people buying their $40,000 and $50,000 brand new trucks to cut lawns. To be blunt that is stupid, you can't convince me otherwise. Why not buy a small to mid-size used truck in good condition for about $10-12k? You can't tell me that a truck in that price range can't pull your equipment for 5-6 years. Plowing requires some power, but again that price range should do it. That's 40k for a crew that should be able to at least 150 medium 1/4 acre lots a week. Actually more like 200 or more with that equipment. Even with say three crews cutting close to 500 a week, which is pretty damn good and more than most people on this forum seem to have. That's $120k invested for three crews, which was lower than average investment. I usually see LCO's in the 30-60 account range, if you're dropping 100k on the equipment you're going to be in the hole for a long while. In my area you could buy one 17 year old kid a 21" mower, trimmer, and blower, tell him to put it all in his car and mow you 60, 70, 100 small $20 lawns a week; paying him $10/hr + gas money. That's a crew for about $2000 equipment. Yeah I know that's not "legit." But will he really do any damage to himself or anyone else with a 21" mulch (discharge blocked) mower? With careful trimming he's fine. He gets in a car accident and he was on his way to pick up his sister at school. Lighten up before you flip on me for that one. How about justmowit?. I'd venture to say his 11 crews each cost no more than $25,000 to run. Unless that's an F150, I thought it was a Ranger. So figure 300k for the whole operation. He cuts over 2000 lawns doesn't he? Somehow I don't feel the 10 or 15 people who posted triple his stats are knocking out anywhere near that many. If there is one LCO in my area doing 1/3 that many, they are not legit and are cutting with crews in disguise as scrubs and likely collecting in cash. The biggest landscaper in my area (Lipinski), who is HUGE, probably puts up a few million for equipment. Maybe we just had a meeting of the biggest LCO's out there on that post, but somehow I doubt it.