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Durability for a poorly designed college campus...

Discussion in 'Irrigation' started by turf4kansas, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. LawnMastersTx

    LawnMastersTx LawnSite Member
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    The system only allows one alert level for high flows. I can work with individual zones but I have over 106 controllers, doing individual zones would take a while to complete.
  2. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    You don't need to work inside the system. Export the data, do the calculations outside the system automatically. You could even set it up so you count the number of deviations in order to set or elevate an alert level. The alert levels determine the level of attention the alert gets based on the zone the alert occurs in. With a comprehensive georeferenced map of the system and installed hardware, determination of work orders based on the level of the alert and the potential problem in the zone would be relatively simple.

    Point being, it can be done, and the potential water savings that can be achieved using checks should not be determined by the inability to work the data.
  3. LawnMastersTx

    LawnMastersTx LawnSite Member
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    Great idea, one problem is our fluctuating PSI for the irrigation. Since not all of our meters are dedicated irrigation, when testing is going on in a lab at night or a chilling tower is in operation, our PSI is greatly effect. If I had a static PSI that I knew would remain constant on campus, then your idea would be great and I am still going to export the information and see what comes out of it. The problem with exporting it into a spreadsheet is that the zone already ran and the water has been wasted. If I keep the threshold at the 5 GPM and not use the check valves, when a break occurs, the system will shut off and the water will not be wasted. Last year we received only 5 calls of irrigation breaks during the night, 5 calls for the whole season.
  4. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    You wouldn't export into a spreadsheet on a daily basis, but rather into a database in realtime, say every 30 secs or 1 minute or however often your data collection occurs. Then run your programmed routine against the database on whatever interval you want, then instruct the system to do what you want based on the result of the routine. It's just 1's and 0's man. :)

    In order to deal with pressure fluctuations, you would need to also log pressure along with flow. With that data you could eliminate most of the non-break related pressure caused flow fluctuations.
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  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Also, use the resources at your disposal. Given this is a University, perhaps you could get the school of computer sciences to program it for you ... FOC. The programming involved is rather simple. Personally if it were me, I would be using postgresql with postgis and a web based interface so you can get your pad interface to it.
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  6. LawnMastersTx

    LawnMastersTx LawnSite Member
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    The real time data collection is done within Calsense program and I am not sure if I have a way of accessing this information while the program is operating. If I was able to have access to each controller during operation then there would not be a problem but I am having to access through a HUB and then LR (low radio frequency) to each controller in the field. The time laps from my computer to a controller is 5-8 seconds. One controller would be possible, but not all 106 controllers unless they were linked to a central database. Calsense's database is on each controller which then sends the information the the server after the data has been collected.

    Your method would intrigue central irrigation programmers on being able to handle fluctuating flows/pressure. Have you worked with any central irrigation systems out there?
  7. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    The data has to be stored somewhere, a central database is the most logical location, and is the easiest to work with and manage as well.

    Since you have to work with the hub, then you will probably need to hack the Calsense software to do this. Some type of automated upload/download routine would be needed. Might be worth a call to Calsense engineers to see if they can work it. Might take more than some simple programming though.

    My experience with central control at your scale is limited. I'm coming more from a programming/data management/irrigation management/water conservation aspect in this case.
  8. GrunderIrri

    GrunderIrri LawnSite Member
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    I have to agree, that Toro clock and the valves I have had good luck with, but all the heads are junk. The super 8 and mini 8 where both to be huge game changers when they came out, but they are merely no more than junk, and as you experience the worst part of them is a weak spring and stiff seal causing them to stick. All in all the 570 is a decent spray but to get a good retracting you need to go with a PRX. If you want to keep the site with one manufacture I would go RainBird. On new installs that is all I use and have used, other than a Irritrol RS. RainBird 1800 series SAM's are excellent at retracting and hold adjustment very well, for the larger areas 5004's are great but you could step up to a 5500 series. 5500's are priced higher but are a truly commercial grade head. They are a pain to adjust at first until you get the hang of the left and right adjustment but they are a very rugged head. One last point to go along with everyone else is proper installation techniques and practices. From glue joints done properly to setting heads at the proper height and compacting around them as to the dont settle in a years time will do leaps and bounds for any system no matter what product used. Good luck and hopefully you can turn your nightmare into a joy to work on.
  9. 1idejim

    1idejim LawnSite Fanatic
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    The way your post sounds, you are the big Kahuna at UT so why do contractors dig your stuff up daily?

    Put a stop to that by surveying the campus and creating limits.
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  10. mitchgo

    mitchgo LawnSite Silver Member
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    I literally just walked through most of this campus a week ago. Trying to check out the texas ladies you got down there. It's a nice school and as the irrigation I saw it seemed to be in good shape. Except I hate the warm season grass you have down there. lol. I was in San antonio and took a day trip to austin by myself.

    I also checked out the history of texas museum and watched the hobbit in imax next door.

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