I know this topic has been beat to death, but I would like input from the guys who use standers. I am replacing an older ztr with a new to me mower. I would like to try a stander out as all the benefits that I've read on this site, seem to be what I'm looking for. My dilemma is that funds currently won't allow for a brand new machine purchase, but I'm able to find used relatively low hour GS units that would fit my budget. I've read about all the issues with the 09, but have also read that Toro released updates that have helped. Are the 09's really that bad and should I just steer clear or can they be made reliable if had for the right price? I'm really only considering Toro or Scag V Rides for this purchase as those two have closest dealer support in my area. My operation is very small compared to most, but I obviously need to be operating to be profitable. Thanks for all the valuable info in helping me make a decision.