I made the point the echo owns Shindaiwa I didn't say that because of that I expect their quality to go down hill now. So please do not make that connection. The truth is their quality went to hell about 7 years ago when they introduced the 4mixs and I am done with the brand. Now I am sure some of you have more or believe you have more experience with the brand then I do. But you might be surprised how many of their units iv owned or used. Ones iv owned 2 t231s I liked these back in the day 1 LE 260 edger total junk 3 t2510s 4 mix over priced junk 400 a pop none lasted a season 8 t261s nice power at first but that doesn't last long 6 t282s better then the 261s but the stihl 100rx kicks its ass and they constantly go out of tune if they do not get constant use. 2 of there sprayers they have the distinction of the worse ones we have ever owned. Ones iv use 10 t231s 1 t27 So 30 something units and I will not buy another.