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Effectiveness of Running All Walk Behinds

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing Equipment' started by Church2224, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
    from nc
    Messages: 4,923

    I still keep thinking about this. I run one crew now and it makes it hard to split them with a few days on wbs and some on ztrs. Maybe if I had two crews I could split them up.

    I'm about 90% residential with lawns from 5k-40k. Then a few larger commercial/apartments.

    I run a 60" ztr and a 21" push mower. Have a 48" walker for leaves.

    From a residential perspective I would want smaller wbs. 48 or 52 maybe. So running all 60" wbs may not look different to the old clients who say... Wish that big mower wasn't on my lawn.

    Maybe I just turn away large properties where ztrs would be needed and stuck to a premium residential/small commercial market?
  2. newguy123

    newguy123 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,096

    I don't have any input here...merely subscribed as we're considering the switch to TT's. No more Z's or standers.
  3. Church2224

    Church2224 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 551

    My question is why does everyone who runs primarily walk behinds uses Exmark Turf Tracers?

    I mean I love them myself, but just curious as to why everyone prefers Turf Tracers compared to Gravely, Toro, Scag, ect.
  4. sjessen

    sjessen LawnSite Platinum Member
    Male, from Knoxville, Tn
    Messages: 4,277

    At one time Exmark was head and shoulders above most everyone else so far as walk behind mowers go. Some still think they are. That said, some of the other brands are upping their game and offering features not found on the Turf Tracers, i.e. single point height adjustment. Another reason for their success might be that Exmark has a very broad range of mowers from 36" up to 60" decks with a variety of engines including EFI as well as both fixed and floating decks. Plus, they are well built and reliable.
  5. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,029

    wait... let me get my cane and shake it while i say this:

    Back in the day, we ALL used to use all walk behinds!

    depending on your demographics using all walkbehinds can be very effective.

    Ive watched guys waste 20 minutes trying to park a trailer with three guys sitting in the truck (lats one man hour of lost production)

    a pick up with two walk behinds in the back and some ramps can park right in the driveway, no issues backing up.. steep odd long driveways? no problem because you have no trailer.

    You also dont have an expensive body set up, just a pick up.

    If you bag grass though... bad news there is no where to put it, unless you have a place to dump onsite compost (highly encouraged)

    Guys who use riders run over stuff, they are lazy, they miss stuff, they go too fast, they run over stuff, did I mention? They run over stuff.
    they are less likely to want to trim, so they try to jam the mower into areas it shouldnt go.
    and.. they run over stuff

    75% of all guys who operate a 60" Z, I could kick their grass with a 52" belt drive and a velke.
    no matter what the brochures tell you when you buy that Z, the dude you pay $12 an hour to ride it, isn't running it at that efficiency.
    If you are solo or run with your crews, this is different.

    60 inch riders are for big lots and commercial grass.
    I know there was a movement in the last half decade that said buy the biggest deck you can and squeeze it everywhere you can.
    I'm hoping people have finally figured out that's dead wrong.

    AS always... right tool for the right job!

    What neighborhood are you working in and what is the mix of your lawns.
    That will dictate what you should be using.

    Stop trying to eat soup with a fork.
  6. TPendagast

    TPendagast LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,029

    for most of my life Scag has been the number 1 walkbehind any where I looked with the Toro Pro line being that "best kept secret"

    In my theaters, exmark was always number three when it came to mowers. Unless you were discussing the vaunted Lazer Z, then it was tied for first.
  7. SDLandscapes VT

    SDLandscapes VT LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 581

    Exmark has a distinct advantage in the walkbehind market

    --comfortable, intuitive, controls--ECS
    --greatest variety of decks and power plants, series 3 and series 4 decks, widtchs from 36"-60", Kohler EFI, Kawi, and propane options

    I think the controls are the biggest selling point
  8. Groomer

    Groomer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,615

    Like I said I run 3 WB 48" turf tracers, great mowers.
    But, It also should be said I've got 1 dealer in my area-he sells Exmark.
    If he sold Scag? Well....
  9. Exmarkboy13

    Exmarkboy13 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 501

    The only thing I don't understand is how a walkbehind is cheaper to run than a light weight Wright stander. Same engine, hydrostatic, stand is shorter, no sulky to wear out, etc.... For the same purchase price, would a wright stander fit into the "low overhead" group walkbehinds are in? Deciding if I want to make the switch
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  10. Church2224

    Church2224 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 551

    A local LCO who tried to switch their ZTRs to standers told me not to do it, apparently he said that while it saved some money they still had issues with them and employees abusing them plus a few other issues. Next year they are switching to all walk behinds.

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