I remember when Dixie Choppers ruled this board. Why? Because the man who we most admired used one. Eric Elm One man said that profitablity could be had with a lesser and more affordable walk behind. Lawrence Stone. Since this time of Lawnsite glory has faded and been replaced with a more diversified group of so called business people, I have found this site less intiguing. Who the blazes are you to judge us Toroguy? This is a business of pure competition. For those of you not familiar with the term "pure competition" get back on your tricycle, grab your Scooby Doo lunch pail, and re-evaluate your High School education, and immediately reconsider some formal business school training. Start up costs for this industry are very minimal. As an entrepreneur you should have realized this. If you maintain your home lawn, you can achieve this same result, on a professional level, with the same equipment you already have. A business is started. A few forms, stamps, notarizations, and phone calls later you are ready. Toroguy you are crazy to say this jibberish! Most of us started in this same manner. Those of you who took the high road...in other words, the road of credit and finance, are yacking about how scrubs have taken some of your business. Why? Because of financial incompetence. Lawnsite majority likes to brainwash you into the belief that by spending you can earn. Why would "they" say that? "They" fear competition. "They" want you to buy a $8000 mower, not to raise the industry, but because they have invested this money. The funny thing about the mower is that "it" actually will return on the investment. The other things are the big money down the drain formula nobody wishes to discuss scenario. Lifestyle and consumeristic greed. The vehicle required for towing a lawn trailer can be a Chevy Citation or a Hummer SUV. Those that have chosen a "pride" vehicle for business and pleasure have raised the bar...for them, not the industry. Along with the token amusement vehicle comes the payment and insurance. Are we running a business based on profit? Or a personal self prostitution ring? Lawn Boy Pro mentioned today that "if your a professional get professional equipment" regarding hedge trimmers. My response to him and others is get a calculator, get an accountant, get your head out of your fourth point of contact, get a clue...this is business, treat it as such, or fail. Good luck.