EPA, Do not apply if Rain in the next 24 hrs

Discussion in 'Florida Lawn Care Forum' started by Ric, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    I am posting this in the Florida forum because of our summer rainy season.

    The EPA had made changes to all Synthetic Pyrethroid labels (Bifenthrin etc etc) so no application before a predicted rain in the next 24 hrs.

    That pretty much means no application from the 2nd weed of June to the 3rd week of Sept. Of course what is the threshold of Predicted Rain Fall in the next 24 hours. 20% 30% 50% 70%???? Just because rain is predicted doesn't mean it will fall in every location or even any location.

    IMHO The EPA won't be happy until we all are doing Pest Control with Fly swatters.

  2. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    This is why my working policy has been no applications of anything if rain is forecast within the next 24 hours. I would feel quite the idiot if my treatment went down the storm drain. A customer chiseling me by saying:"but it isn't raining right now, why aren't you here?" when we are in the middle of bad weather gets them fired.
  3. jvanvliet

    jvanvliet LawnSite Gold Member
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    How many fly swatters per acre? :p
  4. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Green Doctor

    I posted this in the Florida forum for Florida CPO people. We have a every day rainy season that can drop 55 inches of rain in a 3 month period. If we have to wait for No Rain, Chinch bugs etc would be the size of whales. But Thank you for your input.

  5. fl-landscapes

    fl-landscapes LawnSite Silver Member
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    That's a great practice, but the sad truth is the environmentalists would find a way to make regulations anyway. They are anti everything, especially industry and chemicals of any sort. We don't exactly have smog filled skies and glowing green toxic rivers and lakes in this country anymore. Mostly all make believe stories to support their agenda.
  6. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Fanatic
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    On the one hand I agree that many enviros go over board. OTOH, it is because of the pressure they apply that we now have cleaner air and water. There are still many pollution problems and they are all much cheaper to prevent than to clean up.

    Amazing things can be accomplished when people work together rather than blaming each other.
  7. fl-landscapes

    fl-landscapes LawnSite Silver Member
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    Unfortunately working together is a thing of the past I'm afraid. And I agree with everything you said. This economy is struggling in many sectors and I think the EPA is to blame for a lot of it. They do help in many ways but they (like most gov agencies) have become to bloated and become a great hindrance to many industries, often for no rational reason. Now I should probably get off the subject as I did a self imposed banning from the political forum to avoid these issues. Although it seems it would be a reasonable debate with you Barry and not an emotional heated argument like it usually ends up.
  8. bamaturf

    bamaturf LawnSite Member
    from alabama
    Messages: 136

    i thought biferin needed rain or water to activate so it kills better.
    thats what the label says, always read the label and keep a copy of the label
    handy is case u forget. the test has ?'s on the label. Doesn't the EPA know
    about reading the label ?
  9. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Slow Dog

    In order for a rule or law to be effective it must be accepted or embraced by the People. Case in point is the well disputed Obama Health Care That will surely be over turned if the Republicans win in Nov.

    When to EPA change the label they did not take into account the public acceptance of that change. Most Local CPO's I have talked to know of no economical way to follow the 24 hr no rain rule.

    Oh Sure I could kill Fire Ants with Arena @ $ 535.00 plus tax and 3 acres of coverage. That is over $ 4.00 per Thousand Sq Ft.


    Pyrethroids actually need to dry in order to be effective. Too much Watering in will actually wash it away or down the drain where the EPA doesn't want it. I apply pyrethroids at low rate but 5 gallon of carrier per thousand to have the most effective control and at the least collateral damage.

  10. fl-landscapes

    fl-landscapes LawnSite Silver Member
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    Label, says irrigate in after being applied if you used less than x amount of carrier recommended. Irrigation can be controlled to put out a specific amount of water and not cause run off or leaching, rain not so much. It's not that it's activated with water so much as certain water volumes are used to get the ai into the area the pests are, which may be thick turf and need up to 10 gal per/k.

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