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Estimating Mulch/rock bed around trees

Discussion in 'Bidding, Estimating and Pricing' started by SupremeLawns, Apr 25, 2018.

  1. BigJlittleC

    BigJlittleC LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 4,418

    Maybe you should reread what I said. If a noob goes out and gets himself a bunch of debt for a fancy new truck and equipment he very well could lose money at $50/ph.

    I agree business reputation and known skill can demand a higher rate over a noob.

    I agree as it's pretty much what I said in my post.

    Again if his overhead recovery is higher then yours he might lose at $50. That's why I said to establish a profitable hourly rate. He might find himself unable to compete but poor business planning and unsustainable prices is normally the down fall of most business.
     
  2. sailfish27

    sailfish27 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 247

    I'm assuming you said that in another thread. I did re-read your post and you didn't say that??

    If someone spends their money foolishly they could lose money regardless of the rate they charge. Besides,I was speaking specifically to this particular job. The only equipment required for this job is an edger and some hand tools. A truck would come in handy but not needed.

    Big C, I know where you are coming from and I agree with you wholeheartedly about charging enough. It's good for the owner and good for the industry. I feel like some of the folks here forget what it's like to start out. A noob charging your hourly is never going to get a job. The reasons are obvious, your probably twice as fast and more in demand. You've earned the right through your reputation to charge more.

    My only point was it's worth taking on jobs to learn from them. I started out like most noobs with a push mower. I lost more often then I won but I learned a lot along the way. I regularly bid on jobs in the 6 figures and still sometimes miscalculate. I've done jobs close to a million. You make a mistake you learn from it. It's only fatal if you keep making the same mistake.
     
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  3. BigJlittleC

    BigJlittleC LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 4,418

    I still use a push mower for my main mower!

    As a noob you should still figure out a profitable hourly rate. The trick is to estimate the time correctly to complete. With out a benchmark to go off of it's hard. But I agree they have to start somewhere. As long as they go back and reveiw their times and cost and adjust correctly they should make money on the next one.
     
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  4. sailfish27

    sailfish27 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 247

    I couldn't agree more! Wish someone had told me that when I started. Lawn site didn't exist, nor did the internet for that matter.
     
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  5. BigJlittleC

    BigJlittleC LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 4,418

  6. smallyardman

    smallyardman LawnSite Member
    Messages: 72

    I look at this way. If I am working, I am making money. May not be a great wage but at least it is money coming in. Mowing is steady income. All projects are a bonus
     
  7. Cyrus6161984

    Cyrus6161984 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 16

    What percentage do you mark up materials, case by case? Or do you keep it standard?
     
  8. BigJlittleC

    BigJlittleC LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 4,418

    If your a W-2 employee this statement is true. As a business owner it is far from it. Just cause money comes in doesn't mean it's profitable money.
     
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  9. BigJlittleC

    BigJlittleC LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 4,418

    I have a standard rate that goes up and down on a case by case basis. So it depends..
     
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  10. smallyardman

    smallyardman LawnSite Member
    Messages: 72

    I'm owner. Have to look at it as any money is income therefore its a good thing
     

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