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Ferris vs Simplicity model differences

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Jbarreca, Mar 30, 2008.

  1. Jbarreca

    Jbarreca LawnSite Member
    from PA
    Messages: 7

    First off thanks for the informative site, I've been wearing out the search button and learning alot.

    So my situation, homeowner with an increasing property size (now almost 3 acres) and decreasing amount of time to mow, time to get rid of the painfully slow lawn tractor. Yard is pretty bumpy and can be fairly wet, flat no hills at all, not much to mow around though (got it all landscaped with nice big smooth radius). Looking at a 50" range ztr...was hoping to stay under 5k until I started to really understand the differences between transaxles and seperate pumps and motors...I could probably live with some xt2800's and would last a long time for me but the engineer in me really likes seperate pumps and motors :)
    After a lot of research on here I was about ready to buy a badboy zt with vangaurd for $4500....but my crazy bumpy yard has me worried (a friend who mows commercially warned me I'll take a beating on this yard on a ztr). This weekend I got to the local Ferris/scag/exmark/grasshopper dealer....Ferris has my attention with the suspension (badboy suspension unit is more than I want to spend) dealer has new ferris 1500 with 48" cut kawi engine I can get down to $6100 plus tax...more than I wanted to spend but ohhhh the suspension :) So I notice simplicity and ferris are related....but I'm confused which models line up with which models and which simplicity to look at? Citation is the 1500 cousin, just with a different motor? Anything else different? Which other simplicities should I look at and other than engines what else is different between the ferris and simplicity? The Ferris seems to be a good deal more expensive...just judging by online msrp of the simplicity.... I can get my seperate pumps and motors and suspension for 5K range....I know the badboy guys will say the deck isn't as thick and no hydraulic lift etc but I"m not mowing commercially, think any of these decks will work for me.

    Thanks for any info!
  2. Jbarreca

    Jbarreca LawnSite Member
    from PA
    Messages: 7

    Anyone a Ferris or Simplicity dealer and know the differences?
  3. Frue

    Frue LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,472

    Briggs owns both simplicity and ferris so they are simular. I have the is 2000 and when I went to a simplcity dealer I seen the same mower. There was only one differences but I dont remember what it was. I know the difference aired on the ferris side for the good. But this dealer was about 800 more on his simplicity than I paid for my ferris.
  4. lawnwizards

    lawnwizards LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,439

  5. Jbarreca

    Jbarreca LawnSite Member
    from PA
    Messages: 7

    After talking with the simplicity dealer today it looks like for the citation/1500 that I'm looking at the motor is the difference....Briggs vangaurd on the simplicity and a Kawi on the Ferris.....Ferris is 100 bucks more also. So the new question is, what's the opinion on Vangaurd vs. Kawi engines?

    MOW PRO LAWN SERVICE LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,568

    'They are both top engines,they will have a 2 year warranty....
  7. Jbarreca

    Jbarreca LawnSite Member
    from PA
    Messages: 7

    I bought the ferris 1500 48" today for $6100, couldn't budge him off that, probably not a steal but fair...looking forward to the suspension on my bumpy lawn :)
  8. jkelton

    jkelton LawnSite Member
    Messages: 243

    You should really like that machine. I am a long time Simplicity dealer and I really like that mower - it's one of my favorites Simplicity/Ferris make (besides the Cobalt - talk about ride!).
  9. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,087

    Not a dealer... but the paint and engine options are the difference...

    And for me when I was looking at them, the major difference was the warranty.... commercial warranty on the machine that is...

    In my opinion and experience, the Vanguard is the better engine...
    Lasts longer, runs quieter, more trouble free, and much easier on gas.
    You probably paid a bit more for less power and torque...

    When I first read this thread I did not have time right then to reply.

    The suspension will be nice and you may even end up adding a suspension seat for more comfort.

    I was going to recommend standing to mow... stand-on type mower or walkbehind and sulky... especially since it was only going to be for your lawn cutting, and because your lawn is rough.
  10. Jbarreca

    Jbarreca LawnSite Member
    from PA
    Messages: 7

    Thanks guys. Of course this is just dealer talk...but my Ferris dealer assures me the 1500 and Citation are not exactly the same....he claimed the cut was better with the Ferris because of higher blade speed I think, something about it being commercial vs the Simplicity's homeowner ranking so the blade speed was higher...I also noticed they spec the mph higher on the Ferris also...10 vs 9...so maybe they do in fact turn up the hydraulic pressure on the commercial Ferris? So differences I've found so far are wider tires on the Ferris, engine, lights standard on simplicity, higher speed on ferris and possibly blade speed, oh and paint color :)....dealer also claims the Kawi's monster air filter is worth a good amount also....not sure for homeowner how much that matters though...he didn't rag on the vangaurd though....probably because he had already hyped it up to me on another model he had in stock that used it :)

    I really should stop looking for differences as it's a done deal and coming on monday...but I like to have the knowledge I guess....feel better about this dealer also...simplicity dealer was basically a hardware store that sells simplicity...Ferris dealer has a nice place that sells Ferris, Scag, Grasshopper, Exmark, Great Dane etc....

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