Fertilizing Newly Over-seeded Lawn

Discussion in 'Homeowner Assistance Forum' started by dan82775, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 54

    I just dropped some perennial rye seed on my lawn yesterday in attempts to add some green to the lawn. The current Tall Fescue-Blue Grass mixture, is well established but suffers from an over concentrated home made liquid fertilizer, and I am trying to make it green ASAP. I was previously torn between choosing to add rye seed for quick green up OR just adding synthetic granule fertilizer for green up.

    I chose to drop the rye seed but now im wanting to know if I can add fertilizer soon in additional attempts so green up my lawn. If so, what specific type of fertilizer will promote the fastest green-up and when will it be safe to do so.
  2. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,082

    Over-concentrated homemade liquid fertilizer caused some unknown suffering and now more synthetic fertilizer may be the solution???

    Back up an explain what is really going on, then possibly ideas will come to mind... :)
  3. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 54

    OK.... 4 years ago I planted a new lawn. The soil, was freshly tilled due to the construction of my new home so, I had the pleasure of leveling and removing all rocks and unwanted conditions. I was left with a gorgeous and freshly planted Tall Fescue/Bluegrass lawn. Naturally this lawn was thick and weedless and GREEN !!

    In passing, someone mentioned to me that they learned of a home made fertilizer made of beer soda ammonia and dish detergent. With a never ending desire to go ultra green and out do myself and my lawn I started applying this home made fertilizer. I dont know if it actually worked or if my lawn was already that new and healthy and GREEN.

    Over the next 4 years, my lawn has kinda thinned out and is starting to show signs of age. I always over seed each year but, the routine wear and tear and rainy seasons act and neighboring dogs which love to wee wee in my lawn, all caused some problematic areas.

    With this being said, I now have some natural and heavy thatch the last two years. Brown dead grass left behind from the previous winter. I did apply a winter fertilization but again, I think every 3 years I need to heavily thatch and heavily replant new seed.

    This summer im just not liking what I am seeing compared to the pictured from 4 years ago so... I get the itch to make this fertilizer again and my ADHD kicks in and I just go overboard with the amount of ammonia. well, now all the new seedlings that germinated are dead and my lawn is even more yellow and yes, I still have that ugly dead thatch from the winter.

    I do know this, when my lawn was entering its first winter season and was so green and so healthy, it stayed green throughout the snow and ice ect. the second year a little less green and so on. Now, my lawn doesnt make it through the winter and turns 50% brown. Is this a case of grass needing MORE winter fertilization starting in late october OR is it just that this species combination, just doesn't live as healthy after 2 or 3 years.

    Ok this is where I am at now. The fertilizer I made and applied was about three weeks ago, yesterday I dropped and spread some rye seed 80% and more fescue 20%. My weather out here in eastern PA is unseasonably cool. With that being said I took advantage of the cooler weather 60-80 and dropped the seed and im running my sprinkler system ever few hours just enough to keep the seed moist and NOT to dry out.

    I am thinking in about two weeks this rye seed will pop up and save the look of my lawn BUT I also want to hit the current grass with something to get, IT, going as well.

    For this current desire and condition can I add fertilizer to my lawn and NOT kill the new seed. IF so what kind and how much.

    For the future whats the best way to green up and fertilize my lawn. Can you drop fertilizer on seedlings or do I need to use starter fertilizer and actually wait for about 4 mowings before the lawn can receive a normal fertilizer, and again, what type of fertilizer do you recommend and how much. The bags always seem to suggest the weakest and skimpiest amount. Then agin I totally killed my stuff lol.
  4. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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    Scotts--Greenview, Vigro most any fertilizer will do...if we assume it has about 50 percent of its nitrogen as urea and 50 percent of the nitrogen as slow release nitrogen. (30 percent of nitrogen as slow-release is more likely--its cheaper). Green up should occur in about 7 days, (provided soil is kept moist). Be sure to follow the directions carefully--do not over dose it. It won't hurt the seed, so yes you can apply it now.
    But it takes damage from over applying a few weeds to heal...be patient or resod the spots.

    Better yet...call a pro...preferably an owner-operated outfit, if you want the best quality job.
  5. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
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    ok so which fertilizer from say lowes or home depot would you recommend. Granule right? and should I get something with weed control or just the basic feed.
  6. andersman02

    andersman02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    I would have a hard time telling a customer to apply more fertilizer not knowing what he/she has applied 3 weeks earlier. MAYBE starter fert. Balanced 10-10-10. But again, how much N have you been applying is the biggest question.
  7. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 54

    I made up a potion with ammonia in it. My lawn is about three weeks on the rebound so am I free to put down more Possibly granule with weed control?
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  8. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,530

    apply Iron if you want it dark green
  9. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
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    iron? I though nitrogen (ammonia) was the source for green up. Thanks for the info I will look into this.
  10. dan82775

    dan82775 LawnSite Member
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    can I apply a bag of scotts fertilizer and weed control AND a bag of iron at the same time. I do have week old rye seed growing within my lawn. WIll this seedling be effected. Is there a brand you recommend over another

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