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Finally My New Exmark Pioneer S Arrived

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing Equipment' started by MJB, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. whiffyspark

    whiffyspark LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,285

    60 is fine
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  2. MJB

    MJB LawnSite Silver Member
    from Wa
    Messages: 2,869

    You'd be better off with the Outlaw for wide open mowing than the Pioneer in my opinion. See if they would let you demo it first to see if it can handle that amount of grass. I agree with what others are saying, if you can't justify a diesel what about a liquid cooled Kubota, or Outlaw if they have them yet. You will know either way after you demo a ztr whether it will handle it. I agree with the post about the Scag Velocity deck it is more open for cutting heavy grass like you get. Look at Tacoma's post he lives in Kentucky I think and uses Scag.
    Otherwise Gravely would be worth looking into too. See whats in your budget and demo.
  3. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,274

    The Super Z with flex forks would be a good fit for that kind of "pasture" mowing but, like Ridin' said, you may get clumping and or windrows. As far as cutting nice lawns well, if you can pick your timing ie, dry grass, then it might give a good finish but you really need to demo to see.

    Best all rounder cutting rough areas to nice lawns would arguably be the Scag TT due to the build quality and deck but, from what I hear the ride isnt that great. I dont know what seat they have on them these days.
    Cutting rough ground really takes it out of your back so, the next best option IMO would be the Scag Cheetah. Has the same deck as the TT but also has the ride!

    I would bush hog or mow with the tractor first and then a week later clean it up with the ztr and mow with the ztr from then on. A few mows and it will probably look like turf!
    I would also go for a 60" deck machine as if you miss a few weeks due to rain or what ever, the 60" will cruise through the long grass easier than the 72". You wont need the largest HP engine with the 60 either meaning fuel savings. But theres no replacement for displacement so a large engine running a smaller deck is great for cutting longer grass.

    At the end of the day, you need to demo them all in all the sorts of conditions you expect to encounter. Its the only way to see what works best. Remember, what may work one week may not the following week after rain!
  4. dcfas

    dcfas LawnSite Member
    Messages: 146

    This sounds a bit simplistic so forgive me in advance. Could the problem(s) be related to quality of fuel?
    Just a thought.
  5. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,274

    I doubt it! I use 95+ fuel and fill up generally twice a week.
    Carb etc has all been cleaned, valves adjusted a few times, the idle jet (or whatever its called has been checked and cleaned.
    Thanks for the thought though!:drinkup:
  6. handcuff

    handcuff LawnSite Member
    Messages: 20

    Thanks for the feedback, everyone. Went out to look at the Outlaw again, and am having that brought out for testing this week.

    Additionally, there's a used Scag with a 61" Advantage deck and a 25hp Kawa engine (400 hours - it's a 2005) that fits my price point. I know I've seen good things about the Velocity deck, but is the Advantage baffled tightly so that taller grass would be a problem, or should this be on my list?

    I've read many places on this board to "not be afraid of buying a used Scag" - this one was used as a residential mower...guy like me had a few acres, and bought this new in 2005 via financing. Went through a divorce and now needs to sell (she got the land, he got the mower). Only used to mow his property.

    Thanks again, I'm totally green at this and trying to get the best machine for my money.
  7. ztman

    ztman LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,088

    You would be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't look at a Scag Cheetah. Fast and comfortable. Whatever mower you decide on, make sure you demo them first. Cutting reclaimed pastures on some mowers will bounce you out of the seat. The Cheetah is the most comfortable for me, but any name brand mower, with hp over 30 , and a good suspension seat or platform should do the job.
  8. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,274

    If you want your son to do some mowing, and just the fact that your talking about pasture grass, I think you should look at a little more engine. The Advantage deck didnt rate very well so I would give that a miss as well.
    Id pass on that machine!
  9. handcuff

    handcuff LawnSite Member
    Messages: 20

    Thanks again for the input, I really appreciate it.

    I went to drive the Scag 61" Advantage (2005 model) and it was in very good condition. He was willing to take $4,500 for it, which (based on your comments) may be high for a machine that isn't exactly what I need.

    I went to talk to the local Scag dealer to get the sales pitch on Scags and found that they are having a promotion on their machines. The promo and financing available puts a new Scag Tiger Cat 61" Velocity deck, with the 23.5 Kawa engine within my price range. The big question: Is this machine a good one for my needs? It has 3 different engines available (Kohler, B&S, Kawa) of which the Kawa is the 'smallest' - but it seems that the Kawa engine has basically equal torque and is the 'more desirable' engine from reading these posts.

    Given Scag's fine reputation and history, this seems to be a top pick for me. I don't have the $2k more to invest in the Cheetah (sure looked good though), or the Tiger Turf. Based on what I've read, the Tiger Turf seems like a good machine for the rougher terrain.

    I'm going to look at the Hustler Super Z line also...have a dealer close to where I work downtown, and from what I've read on here, it appears that their deck is similar to the Velocity deck, and their mowers have a higher power rating (30+ hp).

    I'm testing a few of the mowers over the weekend, but some won't let me actually 'mow' ('you can drive it on your property to see how well it will ride, but don't mow with it'). Still looking for information and welcome any feedback.

  10. Ridin' Green

    Ridin' Green LawnSite Fanatic
    Male, from Michigan
    Messages: 17,019

    I don't think you'd be at all happy with that sized engine (23.5) unless all the grass is cut down to at least 5" or less first, and then kept at or below that height. Do that, and the Scag will be fine.

    The SZ will run you what a Scag TT give or take a little. The V+ has a much better rep than the VX4 for clean cutting with 60" and smaller decks. Both the TT and the SZ with a 35 HP engine will burn some fuel. Just some more food for thought.

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