Fire Ants

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by grassmasterswilson, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    So with the cooler temps and much needed rainfall the fire ants have seemed to multiply. I have a feeling that it could be big business if you can get ahead of the application rush.

    I curious to know what everyone's plan of attack is. I know Ric had a thread or post about his blanket applications.

    Right now I'm using acephate as a mound treatment when I'm called to treat. I think I will attempt to sell topchoice in the future, but need to work on my sales pitch(I'm cautious about selling a year guaruntee...maybe I say surpress). Maybe a liquid mound drench would be even better?

    I've also thought about a 3-4 application program(bifenthrin or carbaryl?) that might take care of fire ants, grubs, and other potential problem pest. Maybe a broadcast application in spring and fall and then follow up 1-2 times with mound treatments?

    So I'm looking for what you have used and your thoughts.
  2. bug-guy

    bug-guy LawnSite Bronze Member
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    if ur gonna garantee it for a yr charge like your doing a yr's worth of apps. remember TC take a good 30 days to work, maybe more
  3. gregory

    gregory LawnSite Bronze Member
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    i would think depending on the soil you might get a yr. if you get ants then you could just mound treat...

    i have talked to ric about this and read his post about ants and his program works and works great for us down here in this sandy soil and is alot cheaper then using top choice...
  4. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Thanks guys. I was just thinking that top choice might be an easy app but if there are other and better apps I would be open. I'm just trying to research and see what the best route would be.

    More apps would be more exposure. Plus I'm not sure people will pay $20/1000 for top choice but it could be an option.
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  5. TurfWerks

    TurfWerks LawnSite Senior Member
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    Top choice if I remember correctly doesn't guarantee a full 100% control either.
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  6. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I was talking with the local university entomologist about what the best approach to fire ants was. From what I gathered he said topchoice or qualipro's generic was the best but most expensive option. He then said the use of baits, either Advion or Award, was a close second. Said it wouldn't provide the quality of control, but would be a lot cheaper option. Both of those are broadcast at a rate of 1.5 lbs/acre...How do you spread something than low???

    So I guess you could offer 2 programs for control
    Option 1 would be Topchoice with possiblility of free call backs, so 1 maybe 2 apps
    Option 2 would be Advion or Award twice a year(sprind and fall) and mound treatment in summer, so 3 apps

    Anyone used any of these?
  7. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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    Bait at 1.5 pounds per acre probably means active ingredient of 1.5 pounds. If it was a 1 percent bait, that would require 150 pounds per acre, about 3.4 pounds per thousand sqft.

    That is an easy quick job with a ride on spreader. And if you wanted to stop and squirt some liquid on the mounds--so much the better.

    No personal experience with fire ants--and I am OK with that.
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2012
  8. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I've never seen it before but the advion label states 1.5 lbs per acre. That's the rate straight from the container! How do you apply at that low of a rate?

    I think advion I about $50 per acre and good for 12-16 weeks.
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  9. the_bug_guy

    the_bug_guy LawnSite Member
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    Extinguish plus fromwellmark. Has hydramethylon and S-Methoprene. It wipes out fire ants harvester. Big headed and Argentine. 2 teaspoons around a large mound. Wipes them out and they are gone. It blows top choice out of the water on fire ant control
  10. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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    You are correct...the label requires 1.5 pounds per acre. Its an active ingredient of .045 percent, indoxacarb.

    Good question. How do you apply such a low rate? 1.5 pounds per acre is about a half ounce per thousand sqft.
    Maybe Jenkins at Earthway has a spreader that will do it.

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