Firepit Construction- fire brick or not.

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by eastcoastjessee, Jul 6, 2011.

  1. eastcoastjessee

    eastcoastjessee LawnSite Member
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    I'm working in a design and starting to price it out. I'm looking at the Belgard site and it appears the firepits they are displaying use no fire brick. Does anyone have any experience doing this? And if I were to use fire brick wouldn't it have to be mortared? And how would that work with a "flexible" system like the Celtik?

  2. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    No fire brick is need with the modular kits.

    All ya gotta do is buy the kit, some adhesive, and put it together. Labor time is usually 2 hrs. Plus additional time for mitering any pacers/stone around the feature.
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  3. STL Ponds and Waterfalls

    STL Ponds and Waterfalls LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I don't totally agree with that system. I put a steel ring on the inside and fill with sand between the ring and srw block. Is it overkill or being to cautious? Probably, but I don't have to worry about blocks chipping or popping and hurting someone. Than again everyone has been wanting gas pits lately.
  4. eastcoastjessee

    eastcoastjessee LawnSite Member
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    I forgot about doing a steel ring. Thanks for the input.
  5. tadpole

    tadpole LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I make no claims as to being a hardscaper, but wouldn't the steel ring be subject to rapid oxidation due to a combination of exposure to the elements and the level of heat inherent in a firepit? Fireplace brick, on the other hand, is practically indestructible under normal use. Just being 'Consumer curious'.
  6. STL Ponds and Waterfalls

    STL Ponds and Waterfalls LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Yes they do, but think of a burnbarrels lifespan. I can't say how long they last since I haven't had one on the ground long enough. I have mine fabbed by a local steel company for under a $100 so it saves me on labor and materials. Not a whole lot but a few hours from start to finish. Now if it's a full blown mason built firepit that burns wood it will be built with firebrick since the mortar is involved already. Maybe I'll see how much a stainless ring would cost.:laugh:
  7. White Gardens

    White Gardens LawnSite Fanatic
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    You got to keep in mind though that the firebrick is expensive and also you should use a special fire-brick mortar, which is usually 10 times the cost or more of regular mortar. But, you don't use very much of it.

    IMO, I like the look of fire-brick over the steel ring. You can do a better cap that is more appealing. I also don't like mixing steel with stone.

    I also think that it is superior to any other method of building of building a pit. But like I said, that's only my opinion.

    On the flip-side, it is a lot more expensive to custom build a pit versus a modular unit and steel ring.

  8. STL Ponds and Waterfalls

    STL Ponds and Waterfalls LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Exactly!!!! That's why I think gas pits are becoming more popular, but with a whole different cost and liability! I much perfer to build a woodburner for liablity sake.
  9. Murphy's Law

    Murphy's Law LawnSite Member
    from NH
    Messages: 174

    Now the same question that has been brought up the Tom G's photo thread applies here.

    What do you use a foundation when building a firepit that includes mortar and firebrick?

    Has anyone gone down past frost for the foundation when building a pit? I have not on firepits but when a structure is above it I always do.

    I don't want to start another war but I would like to hear what people do.
  10. STL Ponds and Waterfalls

    STL Ponds and Waterfalls LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,174

    We have just done a few mortar jobs and put them on a 4"-6" pad with some rebar.

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