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first hardscape job

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by opplandscape, May 10, 2005.

  1. opplandscape

    opplandscape LawnSite Member
    Messages: 21

    We just got our first hardscape job..Installed a new lawn and beds and he's giving us the patio assuming the price is right.... Customer wants flagstone patio bordered by pavers. On the outside edge of the patio there will be a planting area and after that will be a free standing wall. It will act as a retaining wall for 1 to 2 feet, then the top 2 to 3 feet will be a double sided decorative wall. I think it's called a "bench wall." Still have to decide on colors, etc. What's the building process for all of this. I've done a small flagstone patio before, but the customer already did the base. We just finished the layout. Is the base the same as for pavers? What's the setting layer if any? Should we hold in the paver border with edging?? What's the base for the wall? Are there mechanical fasteners or adhesives or are the blocks self stacking/locking like retaining walls?

    Any advice will be greatly appreciated. This job could lead to many others.. :)
  2. opplandscape

    opplandscape LawnSite Member
    Messages: 21

    One more item... There is a three foot drop from the door to the patio. Customer wants a landing (deck) at house floor level. About 3' x 6'. Two sides attached to house. The other two sides will be steps. I can build the deck with no problem. Should the steps rest on the flagstone patio or should the flagstone butt up to the steps?
  3. mbella

    mbella LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,284

    I have one question. How did you just get your first hardscape job without knowing how to perform the work? Flagstone bordered by pavers???????
  4. opplandscape

    opplandscape LawnSite Member
    Messages: 21

    I'm a good salesman. I'm the kind of person who once i see it done I can do it. Obviously, the more I do the better I get. The customer wants flagstone bordered by pavers....one course.
  5. mbella

    mbella LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,284

    Are you going to use manufactured or natural flagstone?
  6. motoraced

    motoraced LawnSite Member
    from md
    Messages: 39

    4 inches CR6, tamp, 2 of stonedust, tamp, lay flag stone, add/remove, dust as needed.
  7. treedoc1

    treedoc1 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 319

    Go to your block manufacturers website for the correct info for your application

    You can use paver edging to hold your soldier courses...the pavers are 2 3/8" thick...different than your flagstone. Add an upcharge for the additional cutting. Outline the walkway with the pavers first, then fill in with the flagstone.

    Your steps are independent of the flagstone. Steps on top of the flagstone will not be stable.

  8. mbella

    mbella LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,284

    Treedoc, wouldn't it be easier to overlay the flagstone, cut it in place and then install the pavers?
  9. YardPro

    YardPro LawnSite Gold Member
    Messages: 3,570

    if the pavers are thicker you would have to dig down the edges to install the pavers.

    once the grade is set, then a small amount of base can be added to bring it up to desired height..... i think....LOL

    sounds like a lot of complicated grade work.. also i am assuming you can't run a tamp on the flagstone.... how do you set it???
  10. treedoc1

    treedoc1 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 319

    mbella - for me I want the compaction for the area as hard as possible. A 5' wide finish path I will compact at almost 6' so the pavers are stable...no sand for this type of decorative application, just the stone dust. Spread the next level of stone dust for the flagstone like normal. Wormdrive 7" circular saw and T-seg diamond blades make quick work of the flagstone. Ignore the layout of the edge and make your flag square and perpendicular to the house, just like any other job...cut the flag to fit with tight joints.
    YardPro - $10 rubber mallets set the flagstone. Because you have the 2 paver edges at final grade, it's easy to get the flagstone level in reference to the pavers. Doing the pavers last would require a lot more excavation and monkeying around.

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