Most of us, including myself have given up on them. 17 losing seasons is a record for professional sports. The problem here in Pittsburgh is that people keep going to the games regardless of all of the talent that is traded away. I am guilty of this... it is a beautiful ballpark and a nice night out for the family. So why should ownership invest in players when they are making money? We still have the Steelers & Penguins. It could be worse. I could live in Cleveland.