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For all you MTL haters/doubters........

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by bobcat_ron, Jul 27, 2008.

  1. AWJ Services

    AWJ Services LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Ga
    Messages: 4,281

    Before this severe decline in the economy I shopped long and hard for a TL140 in 2006 and the best price I could find for a low hour machine was only 6 or 7 k off of what I paid.
    So at that time there value was holding up well.
    This year with all the repo's the same machine was 10K plus off of my new price.I would assume all machines wheeled or tracked are down in resale.

    If you actually take the time too figure the actual cost of a tired machine and compare it too a tracked machine and tack into account the added ability too work longer and the time saved on common jobs there is no difference.

    If you are just going too haul material from point A too point B then a wheeled machine is the best choice.
    If you use your machine for actual excavating then the tracked machine will always win.
    Of course that is under the conditions I work in and will not always hold true nation wide.
  2. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,151

    Certainly I have ties to CASE but honestly I don't view this issue with that in mind. This is not so much a color issue as every nonsuspended machine is basically the same regardless of color. The few machines that I have done the math on (CATs) were in the $25 range. Although I was estimating purchasing price. That is a lot of money at even 100 an hour if you can get that.
  3. Digdeep

    Digdeep LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,840

    They now use metal face seals and tapered bearings just like larger dozers and the other CTLs on the market (minus the tapered bearings).
  4. iron peddler

    iron peddler LawnSite Member
    from midwest
    Messages: 184

  5. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,131

    I was talking to a local landscaper who I have known for many years now, they owned a Cat 267B MTL up until last year, they also knew what they were getting into, but they said the biggest problems with the larger framed Cat's with the ASV U/C on them is the rollers are too close to the out side edge of the track, their outside rollers got chewed up at 600 hours and the track lasted to 1000 hours before they got rid of it.

    A buddy of theirs who owns a 247B does a lot of work on the mountain for the big fancy house builders there while working with rock and in the rocks, he is on his second set of tracks and no rollers have been replaced. He's gotten well over 1000 hours out them, and when they were ready for replacement, they were worn down flat, but they were not gouged or ripped.

    Anyways, my customer had traded off his 267 for a 246 with the VTS on it, I asked him what he thought of it, he said, "Now that is the worst system we have ever used", they are not seeing an increase in track life nor a better ride, he said they just as "choppy" as the standard CTL's and because they needed a machine in the 72" width category, there just isn't enough track on the ground to keep the wear rate down.

    Now they are looking at a new 257B2, they want to go back to the ASV U/C and they like how much bigger and wider the rollers are and the fact that the tracks have the cogs on the outside of the tracks, which will protect the rollers from chipping.

    I told him to wait until next month, but they are very gung-ho, they need a machine with a light foot print, it has to travel over paver stones with a full pallet and not vibrate the sh*t out of everything. Go figure.
  6. BrandonV

    BrandonV LawnSite Platinum Member
    Messages: 4,582

    we have a 287b and we're rough on it, we replaced our first set of tracks at 1000 hrs, but the the undercarriage/rollers were all fine. we'll probably have to change this second set of tracks out sooner because we've been in MAJOR sharp rocks here lately. but the rollers will probably last till 2000 hrs. my bobcat on the other hand had all the idlers replaced in the first 1000 hrs... so I'm very happy w/ the cat
  7. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,131

    I still want to see a harder rubber, But I guess I'll just remain on the edge of my seat until Bair releases their new tracks from DRB.
  8. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,067

    ASV definately has figured out a great tread pattern on the tracks, the tracks on Cat/ASV machines are by far the most tractive, IMO. However, I do feel they should be of much higher density rubber so they last longer and can withstand more abuse. C'mon Cat, let's get this done.
  9. Digdeep

    Digdeep LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,840

    My dealer told me last year that another company (I think it was Solideal) showed an aftermarket track at a show and ASV kindly let them know through legal channels that they were infringing on multiple patents that ASV has on the track's design. I haven't seen Solideal trying to sell an ASV track so they must have looked into it and figured that it wasn't worth the legal hassle. I'm curious to know if DRB will end up in the same boat or has found a way around the patents.
  10. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,131

    DRB's is a much longer gap between track treads, and they are twice as wide, but the tracks look thicker.


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