Ford Payload Issues

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by Daves Propert Maintenance, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Daves Propert Maintenance

    Daves Propert Maintenance LawnSite Member
    from USA
    Messages: 83

    I am planning on purchasing an EZ Dumper insert for my 97 F-150 and putting a leaf box on it. The Dump insert weighs in at 800 lbs., and I am estimating a leaf box to weigh at least 150, probably more. I am concerned that I will not have the payload capacity to have the dump insert, box, and leaves without going over my truck's rated payload of 1600 lbs. I want to increase my payload and keep the ride height up, without hindering driveability too much. I have looked at Add-A-Leaf type suspension upgrades, but I don't think that they increase payload at all, just ride height. Any suggestions for ways to increase payload?

    I am not really interested in breaking the DOT regulations if I don't have to. I don't have enough cash to buy upgrade to a heavier truck currently, but maybe in the near future.
  2. Ron's Lawncare

    Ron's Lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 266

    get a set of timbrens they are much better than add-a-leafs also have you weighed your truck? 1600 lb payload sounds low to me. my truck with the insert and me in it weighs in at 7000 lbs that gives me 1600lbs payload with a gvw of 8600 lbs.
  3. Daves Propert Maintenance

    Daves Propert Maintenance LawnSite Member
    from USA
    Messages: 83

    I believe that the gvw of my 97 F150 is 5500 lbs., but different websites are giving me different results. I'll check in my owner's manual later on tonight...
  4. Daves Propert Maintenance

    Daves Propert Maintenance LawnSite Member
    from USA
    Messages: 83

    Couple of questions for you:
    Do the Timbrens work well and provide a good ride?
    Is there any drilling involved with the Timbren Systems?

    I am looking at their webpage and it is not very descriptive.
  5. CrewCutEnterprises

    CrewCutEnterprises LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 898

    Timbrens dont mess with the ride.
    No drilling, they replace stock bump stops, you only hit them when you are overweighted.

    as for the ez dumper, I have one in an f350 with a gvw of 9900 truck was 7000 or so dry its 8400 with dump and leaf box. Ill weigh into the dump at 11,500 reguarly as the truck is titled for 12,000 gvw.

    I dont know the f150 might be 7000 or so GVW. But dont get a dump insert for an f150, atleast not a steel one, look at aluminum.


  6. SimonCX

    SimonCX LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 731

    I'm pretty sure dot could care less what you register it at, they look at what's in the door panel. So if the truck is 9900gvw from the factory your overweight at 11,500 in dot's eyes even though the truck can handle it.
  7. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    A 1/2 ton is just that a 1/2 ton they are pretty well a car with a cargo box if you want a dump insert use a 3/4 ton truck. A F-150 shouldn't see anymore than 1000lbs total payload weight. The 8.8 Ford rear axle has weak wheel bearings plus its a semi floating axle.
  8. hosejockey2002

    hosejockey2002 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,195

    The ride you get with Timbrens depends on how you set them up. I installed mine with the spacer to "preload" them. It makes it ride rougher when empty but much better loaded. BTW, I've got a dump insert in a Chevy 2500HD. Gravel Rat is dead on about the F150. You can add the overload springs, but the little 8.8 inch axle (same as on my Explorer) will be maxed out with the dump insert and leaf box before you add any additional weight. I imagine if you have the cash to buy a dump insert you can probably swing a trade up to an F250.
  9. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,544

    When I first started in landscaping I had a 1/2 ton it was a 79 4x4 but in that year they had the 9" Ford rear end a tough little axle I used to load the truck up pretty heavy. I added extra leaves to the rear springs but I eventually bent the housing carrying too much weight.

    My dad has a 96 F-150 Ford the axle bearing went on it and the way Ford has the bearings on the 8.8 the axle shaft suffers and the bearing eats into the axle shaft :angry:

    If you look for a 3/4 ton make sure it has a full floating rear so if its a Ford a dana 60/70, 10.25 Ford. If your looking at Chebby they put semi floating axles in their 3/4 ton trucks if you want a Chevy get one with a 14 bolt full floater not the 14 bolt semi floater. Dodge either has a Dana 60 or 70 depending on gas or diesel.
  10. Eclipse

    Eclipse LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,149

    They also used Dana 80's for rear ends up until their switch to American Axle.

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