Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by supercuts, Dec 28, 2010.

  1. fireman9

    fireman9 LawnSite Member
    Messages: 172

    I was always a die hard Ford man till they came out with the 4.6 triton motors, then all bets were off. Never seen such junk forced on customers in my life.
    I spent well over 15 years working on GM cars and trucks in dealerships an always owned at least two Fords much to my bosses dismay.
    Long story short I was the one who fixed all them junk Fords that came in via trade or auctions and I've lost count on all the spring hangers and shackles I've changed not to mention how many stripped spark plug holes I've fixed, broken exhaust manifold studs extracted from v10's and 5.4's... the list goes on an on. Wait till you have to do a head gasket on one of these trucks and you find out the only way to get the heads off is to remove the cab or at least jack it up six inches.WTF !? Ford, who the hell thought of this? Must have been a rocket scientist after all the windshield is sloped like the space shuttle, oh wait that caught on fire too, maybe the same guy went to design for Ford after leaving NASA.
    Poor steel is an issue but I personally won't own or should I say DISLIKE owning ANYTHING that has a power coating on it. Once it has a chip in it it will attract moisture like a magnet rotting out whatever it's covering. During the paint process all oils have to be removed for the power to stick then during the baking process whatever wasn't chemically stripped from the steel is baked off leaving it very susceptible to rusting.
    Give me a nice enamel or oil based paint any-day over that crap.

    Back to them Fords, Broken manifold studs....Easy fix - poor design.
    The exhaust gaskets are assembled in a sandwich, most out of three layers of shitty low quality stainless steel. The two outer layers lay flat with the center having some ridges and bulges (ha,ha I said ridges and bulges). What happens is that the center layer starts to rust due to low quality steel and electrolysis between the cast manifold and aluminum head and expands between the two outer layers causing the manifold studs to sheer off just like you overtightened them. Something has to give...

    As far as anyone that's had a spark plug shoot out of their Ford and it usually breaks the coil too... Well its comforting to know that there is only 3 to 5 threads holding in the plug in the first place. Why design a spark plug with an inch plus reach that's threaded all the way to only use 3 to 5 threads to hold it in an aluminum head in the first place? Must have been that rocket scientist again, Maybe he's too young to remember spark plugs blowing out of early VW bugs, maybe he's never seen a Heli-Coil, but I bet he knows what they are now.
    I've fixed so many plugs I broke down and bought my own repair kit just for fixing friends trucks now.
    Search for "TIME-SERT NEW FORD TRITON SPARK PLUG THREAD REPAIR KIT" Simply the best repair kit on the market for them Fords.

    As for MY business I run two FORD Trucks the first I've built from the ground up an 1978 F-250 4x4 400 cid Automatic with a rack mount dump body and plow and an 1985 F-350 2wd mason dump 460 gasser 4 speed, It was a contractors truck that was used as a rolling dumpster for small jobs and only has 34,000 miles.
    That said between the two of them I think I only have about $7,000 in them both, not to mention the lower taxes and insurance bills.
    Don't get me wrong I'd love to own a new truck someday but I can't see spending $81,000 on a new one when I can build three or four of them just how I want them for that price.
    Oh and when I buy that new truck I'll look at them Fords but will probably own a Chevy:hammerhead:
    AS for my daily drivers: The wife has an Volvo 850 Turbo wagon, I have a Volvo 740 Turbo sedan, a 1978 FORD BRONCO and a 1966 Kaiser-Jeep M35a2 Deuce-and-a- half...:cool2:

  2. downtoearthlco

    downtoearthlco LawnSite Member
    Messages: 7

    I just got rid of an 08 Chevy in April with just over 20k. I was always a ford guy and had a few dodges as well and decided to try a chevy, big mistake.

    The 08 Chevy issues I had was the exhaust vibration (they added pieces of flex pipe to absorb the noise) more annoying then anything, but this was a new truck and it sounded like the exhaust was rubbing in the frame.

    Then it developed a 3-2-1 clunk according to the papers they gave me and GM called it normal (if you call it normal when the truck is lost between gears and the truck needs to be stopped to find itself or forced into gear, usually around 4k on the tack before it will clunk into gear) hence the 3-2-1 clunk.

    At just over 20k it started running on 3 cylinders (mass airflow switch), but while in the shop for that they found the intake was leaking from the inside out, I lost the truck for 2 weeks this time and they refused to get me a rental for 3 days, they said I could run it as is until they got all the parts..:nono: Long story short, all I needed was a uniform and a time card as I was at the dealership that much with this truck. Also 3 other companies bought around the same time and I see there trucks at the dealership all the time.

    I tried t lemon it to no avail, and once I got it back from the dealership I cleaned it out and traded back to a f-250 SD. So, yeah they all have issues and it comes down to what you like, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
  3. supercuts

    supercuts LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,814

    thanks for the line. i know they all have their problems. what is great abotu your post is you give actual problems to look for. i will most likely be going GM next time and now i have short list of things to look into. the only other complaints ive heard about are the exhaust manifords. maybe i should be looking at dodge? i went down the lemon law twice with my truck.....i won the first case but it was thrown out, then i was told my truck didnt meat criteria at the 2nd hearing and i lost!! WTF?. the arbitrating attorney was from my town and questioned me more about an unrelated negative subject to do with town then about my truck. the state "expert" was hardly qualified to look at car let alone testify how they opporate. now the attorney general is reviewing my complaint and the way my case has been handled.
  4. cutbetterthanyou

    cutbetterthanyou LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,178

    Can i see a pic of this $81,000 truck? I have never heard of a pick up that cost that much. But, you didn't say it was a pickup. Please don't tell me you paid $81,000 for a pickup. If you did you are even dumber than i was for spend 50 on one.
  5. WorldsStrongestLandscaper

    WorldsStrongestLandscaper LawnSite Member
    Messages: 243

    Ok ready 53800 for the truck F-550 XLT Crew cab chassis only no bed,6-disc cd changer 9000 for the custom 12' rack dump, Yeah its a boat!5000 for the Fisher 9.5 E-Z plow 5000 for the 2.7 yd sander,9000 for the finance charges,and I did another 2-3500 on customizing the exterrior, So I have 85000 into it! We did the injector,changed the oil and filter ,Both fuel filters and its still a slug???? I'm going down to the shop to figure it out tomorrow morning! I need some luck for this one!BIG STEVE B CT STRENGTH WSL
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  6. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,388

    Will make you a bet that the fuel pump screen in the tank is clogged !
  7. Junior M

    Junior M LawnSite Fanatic
    Messages: 13,607

    I dont have much experience with Fords.. But my 2002 2500HD has had 140,000 problem free miles..

    The truck I drive at work, 2006 F350 with the 6.0 with 80,000 miles. has had multiple..

    First injectors. Now something else went out Friday. I am not sure what all went but I know it was burning all the water and when I finally limped it back to the shop oil was pouring from the muffler.

    I told them 2 weeks ago something was wrong with it when it was smoking..
  8. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,388

    We have lost O rings on the injectors on 6.0 trucks causing hard starts and a lack of power. Also had bad injectors causing the same . With a 550 truck with the fuel tank behind the rear axle I would start with the screens in the fuel pump and change your fuel filters, cut them open and see if they are all brown and rusty. You can also pull the sending unit and swab the top of the tank to see if its rusting out. If so call you service manager and see if they will replace it under warranty if not just do it yourself its not that hard but the tank is $780 plus new filters and fuel pump.
  9. WorldsStrongestLandscaper

    WorldsStrongestLandscaper LawnSite Member
    Messages: 243

    Thx guys,gonna ck it. The rear tank was making the truck run the worse of the two. I'll leĆ¾ ya know. If the fuel pump is still working,can't I just clean it? Now with the rear tank ,can I relaminate the inside? Seen it done to a 79 mustang tank on Spike TV on Powerblock? BIG STEVE B CT STRENGTH WSL
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  10. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,388

    If the screens are clogged then you might want to just replace the whole works. The injectors need a certain PSI and with the screens getting clogged up they have not been getting that which can cause them to be under lubricated causing them to go bad also. Hope this helps ,this is how it was all explained to me by my Ford tech. And you wonder why our latest truck has a duramax .

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