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Foreman has attitude

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by Gene $immons, Oct 15, 2004.

  1. Gene $immons

    Gene $immons LawnSite Bronze Member
    Messages: 1,028

    One of my foreman who does an A+ job sometimes acts like he gets upset if we have to work a full day on Friday. I tend to let this guy have 3 day weekends all the time, and really want him to work here, but please!!

    He has no mortgage payment or kids so his time and money is his. But I'm trying to run a business, and he gets upset if we have to do extra work that he was not planning on. Employees have no idea of the amount of taxes and bills that an owner is faced with.

    Any ideas on how to make him understand basic business concepts?

    Work = Money He thinks I should do it all I guess, that way he can have more R&R time for himself.
  2. twins_lawn_care

    twins_lawn_care LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 932

    I think if he valued his job enough, he'd be there on Friday. YOu are the boss, not him. Sounds like he knows he can get away with it, and so he does. You have to show him what you expect, in order for him to get paid. Tell him to work extra hours the rest of the week, or offer him an alternative if he NEEDS fridays off. I'd stick to your guns, it's your business, not his.
  3. Lux Lawn

    Lux Lawn LawnSite Silver Member
    Messages: 2,267

    Most of them don't understand thats were the extra money comes from to pay there salary and if the extra work is not done tell him his salary will be cut because there is not enough money to cover everything else on your end.

    I hope this is not the same guy you had an issue with about the cell phone a while back.
  4. leadarrows

    leadarrows LawnSite Senior Member
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    A Foreman with a bad attitude will not go unnoticed by other employees. How you deal with him will set the tone for what the others will expect to be acceptable. Give that some thought and I think you will know what you have too do. No one is so valuable that you can risk their contaminating the rest. You might start with telling him this.
  5. leadarrows

    leadarrows LawnSite Senior Member
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    Messages: 925

    What happened to the edit your post option?
    Any way I just want to add if his attitude is bad to your face I wonder what it's like when your not around? I don't know him so I wont jump to a conclusion here but I have a real good idea I think. I worked for a Foreman that had a bad attitude at a large Lawn Care co a few years ago. All the guys that he supervised were more than happy to follow his lead. All but me. Four guys five including the Foreman sitting in the back of an enclosed trailer half the day because the Foreman felt he wasn't appreciated enough. It wasn't even my company and it made me so mad I had to leave. Thats the back ground I draw my view on this from in case your interested.
  6. Gene $immons

    Gene $immons LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Today he worked like a true professional. He was out until dark and came in with a smile on his face. I guess everyone is entitled to a "bad day " every once in a while. No big deal. I tend to be mellow with my employees and so forth. I bought lunch for the crew today, that is always a good way to boost morale.
  7. Avery

    Avery LawnSite Bronze Member
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    He would hate working for me then...we work six, sometimes seven day weeks.

    HOOLIE LawnSite Gold Member
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    Is this guy on salary? Maybe its the issue of more hours and no more pay.

    I guess if the guy's used to half-day Fridays (or no Fridays) then whenever he has to work it throws him off. I'd just explain to him that he's expected to work full days Mon-Fri, and if he gets off any earlier to consider himself lucky.

    My opening comment here, I only said that because I was in that position once. My old boss kept increasing my hours. I was "supposed" to get more time off over the winter to compensate, but it never worked out.
  9. John from OH

    John from OH LawnSite Member
    Messages: 144

    From past experience, I'd keep an eye on this foreman. I had one just like him and his attitude soon became a cancer in my company. Just like cancer, the "victim" (business owner) often doesn't know or ignores the problem until the damage is extensive. Co-workers often see this disease and watch for your reaction. Dismissing his behavior as having a bad day gives them the idea that working on Fridays isn't important and the foreman gets special treatment. Cleints also can pick up on the attitude and wonder if they are getting the true value from your services. Equipment abuse tends to follow with semi-plausible excuses, "Bill put the wheelbarrow behind the truck and I accidently backed into it". The abuse becomes more frequent, but minor in damage. It all adds up to more repairs and down time. The worst problem created is turnover of good new employees that see a problem. I had my blinders on for way too long and it took along time to rebuild my crews.

    I get the feeling from reading your initial post that this is a frequent occurrence. Your later reply sounds like you felt it was a one time "bad day". Only you can decide which it really is. From the BTDT school of hard knocks, do your self a favor and keep an eye on him. Also, step back and look at his behavior in a realistic light, if he is a problem, you owe it to yourself and to your company to correct it quickly.
    Littleriver1 likes this.
  10. Littleriver1

    Littleriver1 LawnSite Senior Member
    Messages: 811

    Teach him how to read a P&L and make him responsable for what he controls. If his response is positive, then work with him. If his response is negitive, start training his replacement. You should judge a person on the things you can measure and compare, not on how you feel. I like feeling good about people, but business is business. I've worked for a lot of smart people, but I worked harder for good managers.

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