Mike M made a comment in another thread and I thought I could take it and start a new one with my response. Everyone is looking for ideas to being in more income Mike. And the manus want more people to sell to, so they will continue to encourage more people to give it a go. My distributor told me last week that there are general contractors doing landscaping and irrigation just to stay busy... though we are approaching the time of year when traditionally about half of the seasonal workers from Mexico would go home and spend time with families for maybe three months, many of them stay now and have brought families here... often working two jobs. Anyway, in a down economy, with potential clients comparing prices more, or weighing lighting vs. other expenses, competition is already up, so manus selling more people on the notion of offering lighting can't be good for those of us already doing it. Unfortunately it's one of those areas where designers'/ contractors'/ installers' interests are in conflict with the manus interests. They need more people to sell to to grow. We don't need the extra competition.