After months of 2 stroke vs 4 stroke (honda's) I am getting rid of these 2's. Anyone thinking of using 4 strokes I say give them a try. They are great machines. I have been using the Honda's & am totally sold. They do everything needed with less hassles. Less noise, smoke, good fuel efficiency, start everytime & no hassles with mixing fuel/oil. Thanks Honda for making great machines. OK all you hard core 2's_have at it.